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Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Are there any Asus laptops which work painlessly with Linux?

I run Ubuntu 16.04.1 (no Windows partition) on an Asus X555 (8GB RAM, 120GB SSD). Works extremely smooth. I've also used the same setup on a Transformer series notebook and have had no issues at all. It's honestly been my best notebook experience - having used Acer & Lenovo before (not that those notebooks were bad)

Thanks! :)

How easy was the installation? Any crazy stunts to get it all working?

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Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

I just got a Dell XPS 13 (with Ubuntu pre-installed). It's a fairly well built machine and works without any major issues that I could find. I mostly bought it because of the infinity edge screen (very small bevel), which you won't find with most other vendors. So if you are looking for an ultra-portable it's a decent choice. (not affiliated with Dell in any way and this is my first machine I bought from them).

The one issue I've heard about in several reviews of the XPS 13 is "coil whine" -- a small electrical buzzing sound coming from under the keyboard. Has that been an issue for you?

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Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

It doesn't work like that. Most PC "manufacturers" (including Apple) don't make PCs, and they all use the same Taiwanese OEMs/ODMs and Chinese factories. The main ones are Quanta, Compal, Pegatron (spun out of Asus), Foxconn (Hon Hai), Wistron (spun out of Acer), Inventec etc. Quanta is probably the biggest notebook manufacturer, followed by Compal and Pegatron. Compal and Pegatron probably have the best quality over…

I don't think it's so simple. Sure, Apple makes laptops at the same places as Dell or Lenovo. But I can't imagine Apple releasing, as Dell as, multiple product lines with a glaring quality defect (coil whine). Or consistently using cheaper IPS displays with backlight bleed and PWM like Lenovo. Apple's laptops aren't defect free by any means (e.g. anti glare coating rubbing off, paint rubbing off on the black polycarbonate MacBooks), but they are sporadic and don't seem to be the result of conscious decisions to cut corners.

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Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Lenovo ideapad (cheap ones, superfish, avoid) and Lenovo Thinkpad (no superfish, mostly good) should be thought separate manufacturers. They're not comparable. For quality and reliability. This is astonishingly subjective and quite probably wrong :p 1. Thinkpad. Not as good as they were, but appear to be trying to improve again. Usually a fairly safe bet for BSD & Linux drivers. Support (UK) have been excellent. 2. D…

I've had three Thinkpads in two years (T440, two T450s). Their build quality is okay by PC standards, not great. The keyboard deck is warped on my work T450s. The screen was shit on my T440. The screen is shit with bad backlight bleed and low maximum brightness on both T450s.

EDIT: Oh I forgot about the absolute ton of crapware on the machine out of box.

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I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…

It's not just the expectations, Apple's price tags demand innovation. If they're not doing anything special you can get much cheaper hardware.

I'm curious if, beyond innovative features, the actual build quality and battery life of a machine should command higher prices. I had a couple Windows laptops (one by Dell) with quite poor battery life. My MacBook Pro from 2011 goes all day with serious activity without a charge, sometimes 2 days.

I don't discredit the disappointment in the recent Apple laptop announcements, but I do think that paying a premium price for a genuinely solid machine is reasonable, even if that machine doesn't have a rapid change in features. I've never had any other laptop last over 5 years without any major problems.

And it is also hard for me to deny that after lugging around a heavier laptop for awhile, having a light Macbook Pro definitely is easier when on the go.

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Last year I finally switched to mac for work (I had family mac air). Before that I always used thinkpads. I still think the 15" T60 was one of the best computers I have owned. I would have stayed with it if I could upgrade 16gb (ahh Java development). The new thinkpads are bad. I'm sort of annoyed that I finally got used to mac and it is now down a path of crap (love the form factor... hate the Mac UI and no upgrade)…

> it is now down a path of crap People always said Apple evokes feelings. Now it seems obvious that it goes both ways. I acknowledge that it is impossible to be objective on this issue (different use cases, different people, different habits and so on) but saying that they are on a "path of crap" is too strong for most of the time, I bet. I haven't ever used any Apple product, so it's just a somewhat external observa…

Yes the comment was probably too harsh (I'm on the phone so it is harder to be tactful). Crap is also not very descriptive.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got a Dell XPS 13 (with Ubuntu pre-installed). It's a fairly well built machine and works without any major issues that I could find. I mostly bought it because of the infinity edge screen (very small bevel), which you won't find with most other vendors. So if you are looking for an ultra-portable it's a decent choice. (not affiliated with Dell in any way and this is my first machine I bought from them).

The one issue I've heard about in several reviews of the XPS 13 is "coil whine" -- a small electrical buzzing sound coming from under the keyboard. Has that been an issue for you?

Mine has that but its fairly quiet, I only notice it in completely silent places.

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"Lenovo ideapad (cheap ones, superfish, avoid) and Lenovo Thinkpad (no superfish, mostly good) should be thought separate manufacturers. They're not comparable."

Except they're not separate manufacturers...

I knew throwing personal experience out was going to open a can of worms! :)

They seem to act like they're separate. Hardware build and installed software is entirely different. I was under the impression they still operated as separate divisions. UK Support was even on separate numbers until fairly recently - now it separates at top level.

If Lenovo get a strike, Sony probably should for the rootkit.

If you're not comfortable ignore my "probably wrong" suggestions! :)

First thing I do with any Win machine is remove the crap and demos or clean install and add drivers. Or occasionally start immediately with !Windows.

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I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…

The touch strip would be even more of a joke on any other machine because you'd guarantee 0% buy-in from software developers.

The only reason it's getting any positive feedback from anyone is because it's Apple and people are charitably imagining that software developers are going to dedicate resources to support a doodad that doesn't even exist on 90% of apple machines (and only ~5% of notebooks/desktops are Apple in the first place!).

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I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…

It's not just the expectations, Apple's price tags demand innovation. If they're not doing anything special you can get much cheaper hardware.

You can get much cheaper but worse quality hardware. Since the switch to Intel it's generally been the case that you start getting into equivalent quality the price gap narrows considerably – note how the latest Microsoft Surface Book pricing is basically the same as the MacBook Pro – and it comes down to how much you care about particular features.
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