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Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by jsemrau »

denzil_correa wrote: post #37
icantdrive55 wrote: post #10

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

> I have a feeling, it will be the next big financial insider trading scandal. It will involve people we talk about here-- Google/Bing/FB insiders(the ones who can see individual IP's, and their data.), took all that information, and traded stock upon it. I have a similar prediction. There will come a time when companies with the USP of user data would be struggling to keep themselves afloat. What happens to user dat…

Well, foursquare is already using foot traffic to predict retail sales right now.

https://medium.com/foursquare-direct/foursquare-predicts-chi...

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by necessity »

khabaal wrote: post #42
patrickaljord wrote: post #25

Facebook asked WhatsApp users to give consent before collecting data, which some did. Why should the government intervine between consenting adults agreeing on a contract willfully? Isn't this the definition of tyranny and why we oppose things such as the war on drugs?

They did not. Opt-Out is not asking for consent. And even if you Opt-Out, WhatsApp will submit your data to facebook for analytic purposes. The real problem here was quoted as "misdirection of the [whatsapp] users and the public" because WhatsApp stated that there wont be any data exchange between them and facebook, when they were accuired two years ago.

But do they need to warn you? I always assume that the information I send to a server is being stored forever by its owner, unless he tells me otherwise. If Whatsapp said it wouldn't share user info and dit it without informing users then yes it should be punished for it and prevented from doing so. But as far as I understand what happened was a TOS upgrade. Don't like it, go to Telegram.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by kaybe »

rglullis wrote: post #48
yulaow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is strongly regulated in EU, there was a strong push for it from both our legislators and normal citizens. We asked the states to be involved and not let the "free market" decide by itself. In my state one of the most important and independent role in government is the "Privacy Regulator" which has the power to check, verify and impose strong regulations on how you manage others data, and is very active.

I'm sad to inform you, this is a horrible trap you and many Europeans fall into. All of this legislation comes from lobby groups representing the big telcos, who are just desperately looking for ways to keep the OTT's away. Just a couple of weeks ago a draft bill was published indicating that OTT's must be able to comply with the same regulations as a telco, which means, among things like "ability to call emergency s…

So would you say the situation is worse than elsewhere? Especially considering we are not US citizens and thus free game under the US constitution.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by ionwake »

rglullis wrote: post #48
yulaow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is strongly regulated in EU, there was a strong push for it from both our legislators and normal citizens. We asked the states to be involved and not let the "free market" decide by itself. In my state one of the most important and independent role in government is the "Privacy Regulator" which has the power to check, verify and impose strong regulations on how you manage others data, and is very active.

I'm sad to inform you, this is a horrible trap you and many Europeans fall into. All of this legislation comes from lobby groups representing the big telcos, who are just desperately looking for ways to keep the OTT's away. Just a couple of weeks ago a draft bill was published indicating that OTT's must be able to comply with the same regulations as a telco, which means, among things like "ability to call emergency s…

What is an OTT?

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by krrrh »

greggman wrote: post #40
smoyer wrote: post #7

Now things are going to get interesting! I completely understand the desire for privacy but I think it's unrealistic to expect that Facebook won't consolidate its data by user across all their applications. Facebook (and Google, etc.) are now in the same business as the credit reporting agencies ... You are their only product. My hope is that the increasing outrage will drive users to one of the secure messaging appl…

I'm not sure I mind FB collecting data on my when using FB directly. OTOH today I read a 10 minute article on an unrelated site about loneliness. When I got to the end of the article an in page popup appeared that said something along the lines of "Liked by 9571 people including your friend John Smith". I was extremely creeped out. What right does FB have for knowing that I read some article on an unrelated website?…

On the Mac there is an old app called Fluid that makes this process easier; single website browsers appear as separate applications.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by webjunkie »

Grangar wrote: post #35
nowlnowl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sense a new market. German number-as-a-Service...

This will be on Show HN in 2 weeks, calling it now.

Get one on Twilio, set it up so you get the verification code, finished. Right?

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by necessity »

Grangar wrote: post #32
patrickaljord wrote: post #25

Facebook asked WhatsApp users to give consent before collecting data, which some did. Why should the government intervine between consenting adults agreeing on a contract willfully? Isn't this the definition of tyranny and why we oppose things such as the war on drugs?

These terms and conditions are untransparent garbage. It's estimated that if a person was to read everything they agree too, they'd be busy 24/7.

I remember there was a website that supplied tl;drs of EULAs from popular websites. Anyone knows it?

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by ComodoHacker »

icantdrive55 wrote: post #10

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

The funniest part will begin when Google start sharing user data with Facebook and vice versa, for mutual benefit. Perhaps only then regular users will start thinking about privacy.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Post by danielbln »

ionwake wrote: post #65
rglullis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sad to inform you, this is a horrible trap you and many Europeans fall into. All of this legislation comes from lobby groups representing the big telcos, who are just desperately looking for ways to keep the OTT's away. Just a couple of weeks ago a draft bill was published indicating that OTT's must be able to comply with the same regulations as a telco, which means, among things like "ability to call emergency s…

What is an OTT?

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