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A Theory of Creepiness

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Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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That article sounds like it was written by a man. Not saying it's not accurate. But I've never heard any of the women I know frame things that way, even if they might agree with the ideas if presented with them.

If something is too offensive or creepy it must be written by a man. There's no way a woman wrote something people found displeasing. Sarcasm. Wording aside, I've heard plenty of women frame men that same way, including the 'lower than human' vibe.

You're reading stuff into my comment that I didn't write.

"Wording aside" is exactly my point. Women might agree with some of the ideas there, but I haven't heard any express them in that way. I have seen men express them in that way.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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That's an over the top rant, but as a woman I agree with her basic premise: the "women are less visual" thing is a total lie and tied neatly into the "women desire sex less than men" lie. Looks are important to many women just as they are important to many men. There's nothing to be ashamed of and there is no point in denying human sexuality.

Its not provocative. Its silly and absurd. Stating you have visual preferences is like stating you prefer oxygen. This is innate and widely accepted as normal and unremarkable across human society. Is there an underlying assumption 'women are less visual'? It's seems like a bit of a straw man because no one can and should generalize. The next bits about 'knowing your place' puts the author in the enlightening company…

>Is there an underlying assumption 'women are less visual'? It's seems like a bit of a straw man because no one can and should generalize.

There is, at least in American culture. It is wrong of course.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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yeah, female skin ages faster, and skin is what we see on others. this ain't fair, but we can't fool genetics (for now). unconscious behavior like this made me lose much of the respect I had for women (and I started with lots of it!). the better I knew them the worse it got. sheepish mentality, playing all kinds of weird mind games all the time, frequent need of assurance of attractiveness and constant looking in the…

> Unconscious behavior like this made me lose much of the respect I had for women. I agree. What really gets me is that you're told to open up and talk about your emotions. They paint to bottle up as a negative trait, but women usually lose all respect for men – friends and partners – who share their own fears and worries. One time is enough to ruin your image and dismiss the good times. Empathy is replaced by disgus…

Wow, you are hateful people. I've been a woman walking around with unshaven legs -- men recoil with disgust, tell me I am a "hairy beast", etc. It's been this way since middle school.

Men are not the only ones to put up with disgust from the opposite sex. Dealing with this universal human experience should not make you "lose respect" for 50% of the population because we are not a homogenous lump, we are individuals and we are all different.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I don't get the "essence" and living things thing.

I think it boils down to unknown, potentially threatening behavior. The big eyed, tail wagging mix of a dog and a mouse is not so creepy. Walking on to cobblestones and they feel like they are floating scares us. A house painted in perfect white, all lights turned on, but without furniture or any people is creepy.

The funeral director and taxidermist is creepy, because he isn't creeped out by death himself.

edit: reading the other comments: this is about scary creepy, as in "freaks me out", not creepy as in "ugh, leave me alone you perv". Though there are overlaps of course.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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> Unconscious behavior like this made me lose much of the respect I had for women. I agree. What really gets me is that you're told to open up and talk about your emotions. They paint to bottle up as a negative trait, but women usually lose all respect for men – friends and partners – who share their own fears and worries. One time is enough to ruin your image and dismiss the good times. Empathy is replaced by disgus…

Wow, you are hateful people. I've been a woman walking around with unshaven legs -- men recoil with disgust, tell me I am a "hairy beast", etc. It's been this way since middle school. Men are not the only ones to put up with disgust from the opposite sex. Dealing with this universal human experience should not make you "lose respect" for 50% of the population because we are not a homogenous lump, we are individuals a…

I'm sorry you had to endure such insults. My post wasn't written out of hatred and I apologize if it came off that way. Sometimes I let past issues get the best of me. But I really appreciate the way you describe it – "Dealing with this universal human experience".

I hope my manners didn't turn you off HN. It's a great community to be part of. You learn something new every day from developers of all walks of life! Please stick around, it's worth it.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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Just take comfort in knowing that female attractiveness usually drops off a cliff far earlier than male attractiveness does. The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds, while the same male "uggo" with a stable income and decent hygiene will be able to take his pick of a bunch of nicer women who didn't view the whole of humanity throug…

> The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds...

This is a personal attack and is not OK on Hacker News.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this essay interesting: > It’s not “creepy” if he’s hot. I freely admit it. When a very attractive stranger approaches me and tells me I’m beautiful, it brightens my day. When a guy who is short, fat or balding does it, it makes my skin crawl no matter how tactful he is about it. I just want him to go away. I’m not alone in feeling this way. Most women feel the same, but hide the true extent of it when the gu…

I'm sure it was unintentional, but you seriously derailed this thread by bringing in a truckload of extraneous provocation.

Tangents to marginally related things can be interesting, but the fact that an unrelated essay also uses the word 'creepy' isn't sufficient reason to turn an HN discussion into a flamewar. If the quote had been from the OP it would have been one thing, but BYOE (bringing your own explosives) is not cool.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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I found this reddit comment interesting: > [–][deleted] 3796 points 2 years ago*x2 Lots of Indian dudes are great guys. Most, even. Smart, funny, sociable, kind, handsome, eyes to kill for, the works. But just as with every group, some aren't. Some are creeps. Usually creeps have no idea that they're creeps, don't understand why they're creeps, and get mad when people call them creeps. So why are Indian dudes so ofte…

Please don't. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12544564 for why.

Re: A Theory of Creepiness

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post #18

Just take comfort in knowing that female attractiveness usually drops off a cliff far earlier than male attractiveness does. The same girl writing that essay will one day be 40+ and begging for any of those "genetic superiors" to give her five seconds, while the same male "uggo" with a stable income and decent hygiene will be able to take his pick of a bunch of nicer women who didn't view the whole of humanity throug…

Actually, you can't comment like this here. It's one thing to post inflammatory rants about flamewar topics (like a bunch of others have done in this thread); significantly worse to conjure up nasty things on others and gloat; but adding a personal attack element into the mix crosses into bannable offense. Please don't post like this to HN again.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12536861 and marked it off-topic.

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