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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the Linux support for Epson printers? The big thing for HP is their good support for Linux.

How is the support good? I've bought a pro laserjet and the wireless wont work (bug is years old), manual duplex won't work, the print jobs like to go disappear into some limbo every now and then...

Did we now say perfect somewhere?

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

There are cheap black and white printers with very low running costs. Laser printers.

There have been attempts at open sourcing inkjet printers:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:8542 (2011)

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post #24

how is this legal? It's akin to a car shutting down if a non genuine part is used.

Which is the future now that there's talk of the car's computer checking crypto signatures on each part and refusing to start the engine if they don't match. Heard of this concept at least once here on HN.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Because of this sudden influx of complaints, it didn’t take long to trace the “failures” to a HP firmware update that was released during the spring.

I wonder how long it'll be until someone hacks it and releases a firmware that has the checks patched out. I vaguely remember this being done for a few other chipped-cartridge printers many years ago, although that was more intended for CIS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_ink_system ) where it makes no sense for the printer to keep thinking it's using small cartridges.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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any hard evidence about pre-programmed date on firmware?

I think this is evil and smart, - people would by printers - some unofficial ink cartridge market will add good reviews etc (low printing cost) - increased cartridge sales for HP after set date

Sounds more like, unofficial iPhone cables not charging, but smarter (possibly illegal though)

edit: some google search reveals[1] more like firmware update at September 13 (auto update), then pre-set date. Pretty much like Apple and third party cable update.

edit2: More I read, I start to see 3rd party cartidge vendors didn't implement the chipset on cartridge fully compatible, instead they went easy way around.

Third party ink vendor says: "We do not yet have an updated chipset that will work with this new firmware version. . Customers can expect cartridge replacements with updated chipsets to be available in two to three weeks, possibly longer."

[1] http://www.therecycler.com/posts/hp-inc-firmware-update-lock...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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post #43

Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Laser sucks for printing photos.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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post #15

I wouldn't doubt it for a second. Printer makers use the razor/razorblade model for consumables, where the printer's dirt cheap, but the ink costs an arm and a leg. This is just the latest tactic for getting people to go OEM only. At this point, I long for the good old days, when Canon embraced 3rd party ink vendors. Canon's cartridges were cheap because the print heads were a separate, replaceable, item, and the thi…

I haven't really thought about it recently, but (parts of) Asia seems to have this whole printer ink thing figured out. Just about every printer I see in Thailand has the tubes coming out which go to bottles similar to this [1]. There are little refill stations in malls, and that seems to be the standard. No overpriced OEM cartridges, just a straight ink reservoir. [1] http://lh3.ggpht.com/_bJKz4lWVpfo/S9p02XqXZqI/AA…

That's basically how it happens in all the countries which have a healthy respect for the law.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

You can buy separate inkjet printheads intended for industrial high-volume printing applications and build the rest from parts salvaged from other printers. Very low running cost, but also low-resolution, and those printheads are not cheap.

Alternatively, reverse-engineer existing printers to be able to use them with your own firmware that doesn't care what cartridges are in it.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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I've had nothing but great success using third party ink with Epson printers. Every two-three years I buy a new epson printer and either a continuous ink system or refillable cartridges. I never worry about the kids printing too much or the print cartridge getting dry and clogging.

Epson gets used a lot as a base in the third party space - for things like T-shirt printers and other textile based printing. The print heads are reliable and accurate.

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