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NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%. If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election. In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

>> "In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24." Which is what percentage of the voting population?

Mid 2013 there were 51.8m people aged between 18 and 89.

If we assume all of them can vote 5.8m is 11% of 51.8m.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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I was happy to see the disgust people had for the CIA black sites operated in other countries when that came to light during the Bush presidency. Not because of the torture, but because people here expected alleged terrorists to have the same rights as detained American citizens. I feel this is important to note, because we have a large population of young voters who I feel have concern for everyone - not just the US…

unfortunately you're part of a minority. The mere fact that the election will happen between Clinton and Trump makes me think that mass surveillance and lack of respect for other countries are going to continue and probably worsen. Clinton: http://time.com/4150694/hillary-clinton-calls-for-more-surve... Trump (not that it's really necessary): http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/26167...

You know Hillary is a bad idea when Trump is a more considerate choice in terms of security policies and also not being bound to campaign funders' priorities, despite his otherwise out-of-this-world views on important topics. Trump said he'd like to pull out troops from places like Europe, which makes one believe he wants to concentrate on local issues.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voter turnout was at record levels. It's not obvious that greater turnout of "millennials" specifically was likely to happen. Typically it's difficult to ensure that one kind of voter turns out without also increasing the rate of turnout for other kinds of voters as well.

But voter turnout for younger people (18 to 24) was less than 40%. If they'd had 75% turnout they may have swung the election. In mid 2013 there were about 5.8m people between 18 and 24.

Just because those young who voted does not mean that those young that did not vote, would vote the same.

I would assume that is not the case here, but its something to consider.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was happy to see the disgust people had for the CIA black sites operated in other countries when that came to light during the Bush presidency. Not because of the torture, but because people here expected alleged terrorists to have the same rights as detained American citizens. I feel this is important to note, because we have a large population of young voters who I feel have concern for everyone - not just the US…

unfortunately you're part of a minority. The mere fact that the election will happen between Clinton and Trump makes me think that mass surveillance and lack of respect for other countries are going to continue and probably worsen. Clinton: http://time.com/4150694/hillary-clinton-calls-for-more-surve... Trump (not that it's really necessary): http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/26167...

I'm hesitant to consider the next presidential election's results as a harbinger of the state of politics during the 2020 or 2024 races.

The Baby Boomer generation's influence is waning and I'm optimistic that the next generations who did not grow up in a period of extreme mutual distrust like we saw post-WW2 and during the Cold War will be better suited to lead.

It's going to take us, as a global group of people on the planet, a long time to unwind a lot of the hawkish and nationalist policies that have evolved over the past 150 years. Certainly there will be periods where charismatic leaders with latent agendas drag us backwards and temper the progress, but ultimately if each successive generation is even just a bit more inclusive and globally considerate than the last, we'll find a way to make this work.

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The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

You may have a say on how your government uses the data collected by the US.

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The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

I feel the same about the KGB and China's spy agencies. How come I have no say in how they operate?

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

You may have a say on how your government uses the data collected by the US.

Snarky, and not helpful.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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The thing that bothers me most about this as a European is; I have zero say in this, in the US you can strike out against surveillance, you can write to senators, protest against terrible legislation. Actually have a voice, however faint it is. Whereas I don't get a say but the exact same treatment from your country. The Five Eyes have made me paranoid and the only escape seems to be downgrading your phone to a brick…

I feel the same about the KGB and China's spy agencies. How come I have no say in how they operate?

KGB doesn't exist for more than 25 years. Checking your facts would be a first step, i guess.

Re: NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (2013)

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Man I will forever be grateful for the eye opening insights Snowden has provided to us. I now check for https and use tor and always block cookies. How is there not a monument in every city dedicated to this hero?

So you think using any of that protects you from the Chinese, KGB, etc.? Did you forget to block localStorage, too?
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