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How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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> How about Facebook’s first version of Search... mostly useful for checking out your friends’ single female friends

A minor dig but this is the sort of subtle male-centric POV that should be filtered out of tech journalism. Straight women use Facebook too, check out profiles. What's more, they constitute 4/5ths of Vanity Fair's readership.[1] This is speaking to women, subtly telling them that tech is mainly tools for guys.

Comes up all the time in other contexts. Like I was watching Tinker Bell the other day, and it's basically 100% femmy fairy girls EXCEPT they made the nerdy techy builder characters boys. I'm like, come on...

[1] http://www.condenast.com/brands/vanity-fair/media-kit/print

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#62
When you're up against a strong incumbent, don't attack your opponent where he is strongest, or at least don't do that in the opening game. Look for where he is weak instead.

Google+ didn't lose because Facebook used any particular counter-attack. It lost because it basically set out to copy Facebook, which constituted an attack where Facebook was strongest; why would anyone use it when they could use the original, which had more people on it? Google should have tried doing something different. Maybe drop the real names policy, maybe allow open programmatic access, I don't know enough about the domain to be able to say for sure exactly what, but they needed to provide some reason for at least some percentage of users to switch.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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Uh, pretty obvious that Google Plus just wasn't a product that could stand on it's own merit. Just like Microsoft's terrible tablets weren't done in by any other tablet maker, and were cursed with enough problems to get a cold shoulder at the cash register. I don't even use Facebook, but it's pretty obvious that it's purpose built to do specific things, and does them well, if that's what your Jonesing for.

> Uh, pretty obvious that Google Plus just wasn't a product that could stand on it's own merit.

Honest question: how was this obvious?

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it's already free, you can't go lower than that. You could give the users ownership of the multibillion dollar platform whose monetary value only exists because of its users.

I don't follow this train of thought. Did those users make facebook? Run it's servers? write it's code? Sell it's ad space? Every product and service in the world only exists because of consumers, but there's nothing owed between the parties. Facebook provides a platform for it's users. The users use it. They don't own it anymore than you should "owe" your local grocery store because you buy vegetables there

I didn't say Facebook exits bc its users. I said its monetary value exists bc its users. Have you ever bought Facebook ads? The users are what's being sold, not the ad (i.e. FB doesn't make the ad, but asks you what users you want to see the ad).

I'm not saying FB owes me anything, but niether does YouTube who manages a revenue sharing program with its content creators (users). Btw those users didn't create YouTube, run their servers, write the code, etc...

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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post #61

> How about Facebook’s first version of Search... mostly useful for checking out your friends’ single female friends A minor dig but this is the sort of subtle male-centric POV that should be filtered out of tech journalism. Straight women use Facebook too, check out profiles. What's more, they constitute 4/5ths of Vanity Fair's readership.[1] This is speaking to women, subtly telling them that tech is mainly tools f…

FWIW, this piece is an adaptation/excerpt from a book written by "former Facebook employee Antonio García Martínez". He may only be repeating hearsay, of course, but he may have also been privy to the analytics or internal discussion that indicated how Search was being used.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow this train of thought. Did those users make facebook? Run it's servers? write it's code? Sell it's ad space? Every product and service in the world only exists because of consumers, but there's nothing owed between the parties. Facebook provides a platform for it's users. The users use it. They don't own it anymore than you should "owe" your local grocery store because you buy vegetables there

I didn't say Facebook exits bc its users. I said its monetary value exists bc its users. Have you ever bought Facebook ads? The users are what's being sold, not the ad (i.e. FB doesn't make the ad, but asks you what users you want to see the ad). I'm not saying FB owes me anything, but niether does YouTube who manages a revenue sharing program with its content creators (users). Btw those users didn't create YouTube,…

Youtube isn't a social network.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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This is cargo-culting. Do you really think FB's success is due to frequent lockdowns? They are successful because they've got network effects, people are used to using their site/app and there is no incentive for people to switch - it's already free, you can't go lower than that.

The network effects that Facebook enjoys today didn't just happen, how they got there is the story.

They got there by people telling everyone around them to join (same with WhatsApp, Snapchat etc.). Company just keepes the sites/apps running, but when it comes to building network effects - that is something people do themselves.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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This is a fluff piece, that much is certain. To summarize it

1. Mark Zuckerberg is the Messiah, albeit with human traits of failure. (Makes a messiah more relatable)

2. Google pooh poohs Facebook

3. Google sits up and takes notice as Facebook's users pick up and Vic Gundotra's kids and their friends tell Vic that Facebook is where they are at and Vic goes to Larry Page and whispers warnings in his ears.

4. Larry bestows knighthood on Vic to wage war on Facebook.

5. Vic looks at the Google Landscape and thinks "I bet I can get 400 million users by bombarding Google properties with G+ buttons but that would be too easy so I am going to only allow people with invites to become users. Come on I need a challenge!!"

6. Zuckerberg looks at G+ and Google's search users and thinks "Holy God in Heaven! My flock is under attack"

7. Zuckerberg ushers his flock into the pen and closes the gates.

8. The flock sits in the pen and does what they had been doing though a little more carefully now.

9. Vic looks at the barren landscape of G+ and thinks "There's no one here. I better put cardboard cutouts of people here so Larry doesn't revoke my knighthood"

10. Mark's flock looks at the cutouts and laughs their asses off. They drink some more Kool Aid.

11. G+ is burned to the ground by all the bombardment Vic did and Vic tucks tail and leaves.

12. Mark opens the gates of the pen and his flock are let out and they rejoice. The author of this article thinks Mark is a genius for herding all his flock into the pen and hunkering down.

13. "That's how you "lead" wars, bitch", proclaims the Messiah.

sarcasm

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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This is a fluff piece, that much is certain. To summarize it 1. Mark Zuckerberg is the Messiah, albeit with human traits of failure. (Makes a messiah more relatable) 2. Google pooh poohs Facebook 3. Google sits up and takes notice as Facebook's users pick up and Vic Gundotra's kids and their friends tell Vic that Facebook is where they are at and Vic goes to Larry Page and whispers warnings in his ears. 4. Larry best…

Sure took a while to summarize all that fluff.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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post #61

> How about Facebook’s first version of Search... mostly useful for checking out your friends’ single female friends A minor dig but this is the sort of subtle male-centric POV that should be filtered out of tech journalism. Straight women use Facebook too, check out profiles. What's more, they constitute 4/5ths of Vanity Fair's readership.[1] This is speaking to women, subtly telling them that tech is mainly tools f…

Yeah, I'm not speculating. This was the most popular query. No bigger implications meant to the observation.
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