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U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by serge2k »

fiatmoney wrote: post #56
ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

There is a separate "superstar" visa. The O-1 visa is available to "individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics". The claimed point of H1B is to benefit Americans and the American economy by filling positions which have a temporary shortage, in a way that does not drive down wages. Of course that's not even close to how it works in practice.

What evidence would you have had to bring Nadella over as an O-1?

20 years later sure, he's the CEO of Microsoft.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by mtanski »

coliveira wrote: post #48
nashashmi wrote: post #16

In response to a comment claiming outsourcing was the issue, I responded with this and thought it relevant to post here: FWIW, the very cap on H-1Bs plus the decreasing attraction of coming to the US is the very reason ALL companies are going overseas. I once did a research on outsourcing and the pivotal reason I found for outsourcing was not the "cheapness" of the foreign markets, but the decreasing flexibility and…

You are buying a completely flawed argument. The reason there are fewer and fewer American factory workers is that nobody is going to pay for a degree for which there are no jobs. If you are in the US and you have to decide on a degree, would you go to do factory-related work, knowing that companies are moving oversees as soon as they can? The only way to get workers for a particular field is to have investments in t…

There are a lot of degrees that are unlikely to prosperous career after schooling and people still pursue those.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by ashwinaj »

pekk wrote: post #57
ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

You seem to think that everyone hired by a company rather than a staffing agency under H1B is in category 1, but it isn't so. I won't bother to name names

You didn't see this part of my comment:

> "It's arguable there is a genuine requirement for staffing companies, but these need to be scrutinized thoroughly."

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by latj »

ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

I'm not who you are addressing exactly, but it is not "bigoted" to make the claim that bringing more workers into a workforce will drive salaries down.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by shams93 »

ones_and_zeros wrote: post #34
secondtimeuse wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually there was a 6% increase in salary between 2013 and 2014. And the "data" for 2015 is derived from mere 705 "# of Salaries". There aren't any new recent moves by DHS regarding "OPTs". The proposed change in "STEM Extension", won't come into affect at least until mid 2016.

I compared 2014 to 2015. In regard to DHS, the US court system found that DHS unlawfully created the rules for OPT in 2008 in backroom deals with industry lobbyists. When the court told them so, the DHS went in to "all hands on deck" mode to come up with a work around. (So far they've failed, putting ~130k OPT guest workers at risk of having to leave the country on Feb 12th 2016). Besides the question of what is DHS…

Yeah we had major recent fire all the tech staff events both with Disney as well as a major utility company in CA.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by ashwinaj »

fiatmoney wrote: post #56
ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

There is a separate "superstar" visa. The O-1 visa is available to "individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics". The claimed point of H1B is to benefit Americans and the American economy by filling positions which have a temporary shortage, in a way that does not drive down wages. Of course that's not even close to how it works in practice.

The O-1 visa is extremely difficult to obtain especially in countries which do not have R&D capacity comparable to the US to facilitate the process of obtaining this visa. What about people who develop these "superstar" skills later in life?

It's a moot point on whether H1B helps or hurts the US economy. It's up to the US govt. and eventually the voters to decide what strategies should be adopted in keeping the US at the top the technology sector.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by ashwinaj »

nickbauman wrote: post #60
ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

I still believe it's a wage suppression strategy. Here's why: I used to work for a major multinational based in Europe, but I lived here in the US. Many of the people I worked with were not US citizens, but lived and worked here on an E-1 (the European version of the H-1b Visa). They were essentially captive workers who were at the mercy of the whims of management; management that was largely absent from the day-to-d…

> "who were at the mercy of the whims of management"

With H1B you are not tied to the same employer, you are free to leave the sponsoring employer and go elsewhere. I don't know about the E-1 visa. Again, if you feel they were being paid below the market rate, you can check up the bulletin board to make sure.

Re: U.S. predicts zero job growth for electrical engineers

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Post by tn13 »

fiatmoney wrote: post #56
ashwinaj wrote: post #51

There are two kinds of H1B petitions: 1. Genuine candidates: I'm going to quote the extreme, people like Satya Nadella, Sundar Pichai, Vinod Khosla etc. came to the US on H1B and there are a lot of other "superstars" on H1B or naturalized citizens. More practically, there are thousands of other talented people from all countries who work on H1B. So the argument that H1B should be done away with is absurd, unless the…

There is a separate "superstar" visa. The O-1 visa is available to "individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics". The claimed point of H1B is to benefit Americans and the American economy by filling positions which have a temporary shortage, in a way that does not drive down wages. Of course that's not even close to how it works in practice.

Most superstars become superstars after coming to USA. O1 is for those who are already superstars in other countries. Countries like India do not offer the same freedom that US does and hence a lot many potential superstars can not enter USA.
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