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Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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It sounds as if he operates in batch mode with regard to communication.

"I also have not net connection much of the time"

Even that's quirky, when you can hardly buy a phone without Internet capability these days. You have to be deliberately avoiding a connection.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #61
post #4

It sounds as if he operates in batch mode with regard to communication.

"I also have not net connection much of the time" Even that's quirky, when you can hardly buy a phone without Internet capability these days. You have to be deliberately avoiding a connection.

Those phones you speak of, do they run 100% Free Software? If not, rms isn't interested.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #2

accidentally touching the mouse-pad and moving the pointer, which would be a nuisance Sheesh. One would hope he has better reasons than that for using console. It's not that hard to configure X to not switch window on mouse-over. No offense RMS. :) I didn't know about the yeeloong, though. Interesting device.

"accidentally touching the mouse-pad and moving the pointer, which would be a nuisance"

He should just use a trackball.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #51

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As far as I'm aware, Stallman isn't refusing to use a web browser for ideological reasons. It's because: "Most of the time I do not have an Internet connection." Besides, I seem to recall he uses Emacs/W3 for viewing web pages (offline, downloaded via wget).

>> "To look at page I send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me." You have to admit that sounds slightly quirky? I assumed it was an attempt to maintain that his personal PC is free from any closed source software, since it's not even rendering websites, it's just receiving email. Sorry, but to me it sounds like either someone who is so into ideals that they're cutting off their nose to spite…

No, I'm pretty sure that is an attempt to remain mostly-distraction free and not waste time on the internet. There are (several) entirely open source/free browsers he would use if that was the issue.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #28

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Why?

Because that's what they are. From Wikipedia: "Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from." Some examples: * 4 rights constitute Free Software, not 3 or 2 or 1 but 4. * Free Software is equivalent to Civil Freedom and Human Rights. * Distributing software without any of these 4 rights makes…

The Free Software Foundation defines the traits of Free Software as having 4 freedoms (not rights) and explains them in simple language at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.

The freedoms are enforced by the GPL, just like any other EULA. So, trying to question why there are only "4" principles, is missing the point. The GPL itself has several terms and conditions.

So, equating the 4 freedoms to the notion similar to the "religious 10 commandments" and then invoking the argument of "dogma" seems disingenuous.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #64
post #51

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>> "To look at page I send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me." You have to admit that sounds slightly quirky? I assumed it was an attempt to maintain that his personal PC is free from any closed source software, since it's not even rendering websites, it's just receiving email. Sorry, but to me it sounds like either someone who is so into ideals that they're cutting off their nose to spite…

No, I'm pretty sure that is an attempt to remain mostly-distraction free and not waste time on the internet. There are (several) entirely open source/free browsers he would use if that was the issue.

The internet does have some useful productive things on it as well as time wasting devices :/

For a start it's pretty useful for documentation.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I'm aware, Stallman isn't refusing to use a web browser for ideological reasons. It's because: "Most of the time I do not have an Internet connection." Besides, I seem to recall he uses Emacs/W3 for viewing web pages (offline, downloaded via wget).

>> "To look at page I send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me." You have to admit that sounds slightly quirky? I assumed it was an attempt to maintain that his personal PC is free from any closed source software, since it's not even rendering websites, it's just receiving email. Sorry, but to me it sounds like either someone who is so into ideals that they're cutting off their nose to spite…

According to the interview he only has an internet connection two or three times a day at most. In that sort of scenario his set up kind of makes sense. If I only had short bursts of internet connections during the day I'd probably also set up a system where I could queue up URLs to be automatically downloaded for offline reading next time I had a connection.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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Oh don't be silly, "real people"? Richard Stallman is as real as it gets. He's a decent programmer from what I can tell from emacs. Note that there is a distinction between open source and free software. I think it's important to not conflate the two, which I see a lot these days (in the real world :) I predict 500 years from now people will remember him. They won't remember Bill Gates. Without googling try to recall…

If you go up to any person on the street today and ask who Bill Gates is, they'll more than likely know who. You average person would have no idea who Richard Stallman. If your average person doesn't know who he is today, I doubt that'll change to being more noteworthy in 500 years.

Not everyone knows who Bill Gates is.

http://www.geeks.co.uk/12352-bill-gates-is-a-thief-and-a-don...

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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I have a feeling it's only going to get more relevant, because now the software is moving toward the web, it is insanely convenient and easy to lock-in users and restrict freedoms. There are of course a freaking huge number of problems with the idea of open-sourcing the entirety of many website backends. I think there can be great discussion though on various models. GitHub offering web hosting instead of just repo h…

>> "it is insanely convenient and easy to lock-in users and restrict freedoms." I agree, but is that really a bad thing? We all have to make money somehow. I'd rather website owners had real incentive to please their users, and being able to make money is a good incentive. I don't see how open source can really be relevant on the web. If facebook want to do something to drive users away, or ristrict users freedom, th…

Locking in users and their data removes incentive for developers to please their users. If you know that all your user could cancel their service contract and be set up with a competitor within an hour without losing anything, you have a damn fine incentive to keep those users happy. If on the other hand moving to a competitor means losing access to years of data and weeks or month of work just to get back to where they started then you have to suck pretty damn hard for people to leave you.

Re: Richard Stallman on The Setup

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And what you call principles, I call dogmata.

Why not compromise and call them principles, just this once? Principles, dogma-- what's the difference, really?

Because if you compromise they're not principals...ok, bad joke. Mod me down.
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