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Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by Aerroon »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #406
Aerroon wrote: post #400

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If they fully anticipated this then surely they could've fully anticipated how annoying and useless cookie banners are? There is nothing stopping a website from using cookies regardless of the banner. If they are outside EU jurisdiction then there won't be any consequences either. The legislators were and are dumb. They have wasted an enormous amount of collective time for no benefit . Big corporations continued doin…

> surely they could've fully anticipated how annoying and useless cookie banners are They did. The laws were airtight in this regard. They simply lost -- whether through a last minute "tweak" or undermined enforcement mechanism I do not know, but I do know that the current state of affairs was fully anticipated and headed off at the point where I reviewed the proposal. Your vitriol is bass ackwards -- the lesson is t…

>Otherwise you will keep losing to the corporations, and you will deserve to.

I get a cookie pop up on https://europa.eu

This is a website that effectively has infinite funding and has to make zero money. And I still get a cookie pop up.

Is this also the fault of corporations?

The EU isn't some kind of hero saving us from evil corporations. Just look at the recent customs duty that makes things much more expensive for regular people.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

xp84 wrote: post #288
kleiba2 wrote: post #143

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> it’s well-understood that very few people actually read those things, they just want to get them out of the way. This is a jaw-drop moment for me every single time I observe someone else using the web and quickly clicking "accept" on every single cookie banners that pops up, without ever wasting a second even reading what they're accepting. It's mind boggling to me. Sure, I'm in IT, so surely I'm more aware of data…

It literally does not matter what you pick on these things - most of them don't work anyway. Think about it: Of course they don't. All the third-party javascript is already on the page. Anything you do inside the sandbox with UI provided by, usually, some other third-party, can't just magically force all that other code to behave in a specific way, unless someone has done a great deal of work to integrate the cookie…

While I don't usually laud Wordpress plugins, I know of at least one WP plugin, that gets it right and that allows one to specify all kinds of scripts and stuff to load after consenting. Of course people still manage to use that wrongly and load third party stuff before consent. What I want to get at is, that one of the most widely used things to make websites, that even businesses use, has all the means to do it correctly, but businesses decide to do a shitty job and do illegal shit. Very often at the behest and nagging of marketing departments, who are chasing pointless metrics and "KPIs".

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

zugi wrote: post #321
xp84 wrote: post #288

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It literally does not matter what you pick on these things - most of them don't work anyway. Think about it: Of course they don't. All the third-party javascript is already on the page. Anything you do inside the sandbox with UI provided by, usually, some other third-party, can't just magically force all that other code to behave in a specific way, unless someone has done a great deal of work to integrate the cookie…

> Just set your browser to delete all the cookies at the end of the session except for whatever sites you want to allow to 'remember' you Exactly. I use the "I don't care about cookies" extension, which rejects most cookies automatically without me having to see the popups. But even accepting cookies is fine - I'll be closing my browser soon anyway and they'll be gone.

The naming of that extension is misleading then. You do care about cookies ... not ending up on your device. Does it really reject the cookies, or does it just default to accepting everything, because "one doesn't care"?

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

badestrand wrote: post #536
unscaled wrote: post #445

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Despite this being called a "cookie banner", this is not _just_ about cookie. When you click "Accept all" you are giving your consent to any form of tracking and information sharing mentioned in the details. The site you visit may share everything they know about you with any third party they mentioned. They can even use fingerprinting (if you've agreed to it) to keep tracking you after you've deleted the cookies.

And then? What's the practical, concrete, real-life consequence for me? Nothing, not even a bit more relevant ads as these run into my adblocker anyway.

It's not only about you. It is about a practice, that is manipulative and even endangering certain kinds of people. By not caring about these things, we as a society have made the Internet a dangerous place in some regions for journalists and other types of people.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

xp84 wrote: post #328
fnord123 wrote: post #203

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> To me, having a browser setting for cookies is the only sane way to handle this, it's surprising that this was not considered from the beginning. There is one. It's a DNT header. Knucklehead websites ignore it.

Because it doesn't mean anything specific and breaks entire business models (merely logging that you landed from an ad click and seeing if you check out counts as 'tracking,' doesn't it?) if interpreted purely literally. So, the only way to treat it is to either ignore it or to just send back an error code and message that says "Sorry, having some tracking is the condition to get this free content. Accept or don't."…

> "Sorry, having some tracking is the condition to get this free content. Accept or don't."

OK great! Lets have that! Honesty on websites! And then people will turn elsewhere, because they don't actually consent. They would go to places where this tracking is not precondition to see/read content. Then we will have revealed what people actually want and what they don't want.

Oh, but of course most businesses are too much of cowards to actually do this, fearing exactly, that their content isn't really worth that much to the viewer, and that they would lose whatever they gained through non-consensual tracking and ads.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

fnord123 wrote: post #338
xp84 wrote: post #328

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Because it doesn't mean anything specific and breaks entire business models (merely logging that you landed from an ad click and seeing if you check out counts as 'tracking,' doesn't it?) if interpreted purely literally. So, the only way to treat it is to either ignore it or to just send back an error code and message that says "Sorry, having some tracking is the condition to get this free content. Accept or don't."…

> "Sorry, having some tracking is the condition to get this free content. Accept or don't." The law that caused the cookie banners also says companies cannot block access to the site if the cookies are not required for the functioning of the site. Some German news sites have broken this and have "accept or pay" and I think this leaked to news sites in other countries. Facebook even tried it. So, sure, if DNT is true,…

> Some German news sites have broken this and have "accept or pay" and I think this leaked to news sites in other countries. Facebook even tried it.

One annoying example: Golem. Some people in my circles sometimes share a Golem link every now and then. I don't even click them any longer.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by zelphirkalt »

xp84 wrote: post #580
rob74 wrote: post #473

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The most annoying thing about that is not even the "accept or pay" banners. There are more: - even if you accept the tracking, you might still not be able to read the article, because while the site may be free in principle if you accept ads, that specific article is not. - and the most annoying thing is that such paywalled articles show up on Google News. Not sure if they're tricking Google into showing them (by sho…

Speaking of the news-type sites you bring up: I hate all these patterns too, but interestingly it feels like I hate it more because the whole Internet has been designed around the "free to read with ads" paradigm -- we've been taught that if you can see something, get the URL and share it, so that others can reference the thing you're trying to either comment on or raise awareness about. With paper newspapers or maga…

I don't think the web (I think you mean web, not Internet, but that's hair splitting maybe) has been "designed around around the 'free to read with ads' paradigm". It has been designed around hypertext and putting information online. Ads is just one cancer that has befallen the web a long time ago.

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by conception »

alt227 wrote: post #486
monkpit wrote: post #121

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Spoken like someone who has never used parental controls. They’re a shitshow.

You miss my point. It is that parents dont care. However good the parental controls are, there are millions of parents who just dont and wont ever care.

Oh thank god! Thats a fantastic reason to abandon the tens of millions that do!

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by XzetaU8 »

mFixman wrote: post #480

I have been successfully using the Consent-O-Matic extension [1] to auto-decline all cookie and GDPR banners. As much as I'm not comfortable giving potential access to every website to some extension developers, this improved my internet experience almost as much as AdBlock. Does anybody here know of a better solution? [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat...

I still don't care about cookies

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/istilldontcar...

Re: Kill The Cookie Banner

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Post by XzetaU8 »

dv_dt wrote: post #475
agos wrote: post #318

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I suggest looking at "consent-O-matic" which might not be AI but takes care of the issue for you

I have it, it only seems to operate on maybe 60% of sites

Long time (former) user of consent-o-matic here and i concur, it doesn't seem to work on many sites these days.

"I still don't care about cookies" works seamlessly so far.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/istilldontcar...

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