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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by sunshine-o » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:39 PM UTC

atmavatar wrote: post #52

znpy wrote: post #51

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It’s also discriminatory on the basis of the gender, “weird” that nobody’s complaining about that.

Men are biologically disposable. If a nation lost 90% or better of its adult male population, it could still bounce back within a generation or two. Women have no incentive to change that, and the small fraction of men powerful enough to change it can already exempt themselves from the meat grinder. The remaining men's opinions don't matter.

> If a nation lost 90% or better of its adult male population, it could still bounce back within a generation or two.

Yes in theory, no in practice for Europe.

Europe population and society collapsed 2 generations after WWII. We are literally discussing the consequences of the collapse here and now.

People also forget European societies were already starting to collapse after WWI as the consequence of a large proportion of the men population being killed or wounded.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by raffael_de » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:40 PM UTC

layer8 wrote: post #397

raffael_de wrote: post #32

I'm surprised this news is stalling at 24 points. Everybody has to understand that even if this law isn't impacting you; this is a signal in the noise. Germany is a major part of the industrial military complex together with the US and still the 3rd largest economy in the world after US and China. This is meaningful as it sets course for war in Europe. And for Germans it means soon to be enforced limitations of civil…

The law was the status quo from the 1950s up to 2011. This is reverting to that era, for good reasons, given the state of the world.

no, it wasn't. old law only when defense situation. new law even when no defense situation (like right now).

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by samus » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:43 PM UTC

pfannkuchen wrote: post #559

samus wrote: post #515

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Territory is not something physical that just exists. It's an idea , no matter whether a human or any other animal feels the need to enforce it.

Sure but it isn’t words , which was the claim. Human food preferences are also just an idea by this standard. A hunter gatherer tribe failing to defend its territory could result in its death just the same as not acquiring and eating appropriate food.

That doesn't turn it into a physical reality like a stone or a stream of water that exists regardless of what animals think about it. Territories exist because they are defended. They are not obvious unless one deals with the means employed to defend it.

The need to defend might be a necessity for survival, but the desire to defend additional territory and resources has existed ever since humans have acquired the power to achieve more than the means of mere survival. Similar to food preferences, which become peculiar if there is plentitude, basic if tight, and sub-par in emergencies: during famines, sometimes people resort to eat grass to sate their feeling of hunger even though digesting it is an energetic net negative.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:43 PM UTC

Nobody's going to bring up the sexism? I thought feminism was for equality. Why then no complains of not having equal responsibility here?

Just like when Ukraine did this, nobody cared. No complaints in the media at all.

They always want more women in the offices too, never in the coal mines.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:45 PM UTC

orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

> Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold.

This seems very misinformed at least when it comes to Sweden. Upon war, everyone is obliged to defend the country. Nobody can leave unless you have a good reason.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:47 PM UTC

randomNumber7 wrote: post #468

piloto_ciego wrote: post #430

The older I get the more I can't stand "countries" as a concept. Especially this notion that somehow countries own their citizens. It's quite gross to me... Countries do not own their citizens, citizens own their countries. Countries are a technology - albeit an old and sometimes useful technology, but a technology. This is like an iPhone requiring your permission to leave it on the counter for a day. This idea that…

If you don't fight for your rights you lose them.

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by raffael_de » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:48 PM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #594

Nobody's going to bring up the sexism? I thought feminism was for equality. Why then no complains of not having equal responsibility here? Just like when Ukraine did this, nobody cared. No complaints in the media at all. They always want more women in the offices too, never in the coal mines.

Also Curds and Israelis prove that women can very well be full on soldiers.

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:48 PM UTC

missedthecue wrote: post #202

dwedge wrote: post #132

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Why would this affect feminism? If they want to fight for equal rights to conscription nobody is stopping them, and if they don't nobody is going to force them to. These gotchas don't really have any reflection on reality.

I would define feminism as the belief that on balance and in aggregate, there is a difference in the fairness that society accords to the genders and it's in favor of men. The risk to feminism would be that this becomes so blatantly and obviously not true that no one can take it seriously. I don't think the continued draft of men would impact this because it's not a change to the status quo, and it isn't changing opi…

> and it's in favor of men.

Definitely going to have to disagree there.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:49 PM UTC

piloto_ciego wrote: post #487

randomNumber7 wrote: post #468

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If you don't fight for your rights you lose them.

Quite shocking to see the downvotes I'm getting - and you're right, I have been fighting for them, but I am only one person. But it definitely seems like most people would much rather do what they were told than risk anything. It distresses me a bit.

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 10:51 PM UTC

phba wrote: post #573

logicchains wrote: post #260

Welcome to Dubai, German habibis, you can join all the Russians fleeing their draft here. Still a lot less likely to get hit by a drone here than to die when fighting on the frontlines in Europe.

Why would someone go to a place in an actual conflict zone that is under attack by actual drones right now to flee from hypothetical drones in a hypothetical conflict?

They just told you why. The probability of being hit by a drone there is extremely low.