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ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ok_dad »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #197
ok_dad wrote: post #163

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> I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. How do you feel about ICE raiding citizens homes without warrants? How about door to door raids? If ICE cannot even follow the 4th and 5th amendments then they should be jailed themselves.

They currently use administrative warrants but I’m in favor of requiring judicial warrants.

Administrative warrants aren’t legal court issued warrants, we’re have three branches of government for a reason. As far as the law of the land goes these ICE officers are violating most of the Bill of Rights.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

sgc wrote: post #515
jorts wrote: post #507

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It was probably a decade ago and I recall using something within Google that would tell you about who they thought you were. It profiled me as a middle eastern middle aged man or something like that which was… way off.

If I were extremely cynical, I would suspect they might have intentionally falsified that response to make it seem like they were more naive than they actually were.

I think its their currently targeted ad demographic or whatever. Its probably a "meaningless" label to humans, but to the computer it makes more sense, he probably watches the same content / googles the same things as some random person who got that label originally, and then anyone else who matched it.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

tga_d wrote: post #583
sgc wrote: post #515

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If I were extremely cynical, I would suspect they might have intentionally falsified that response to make it seem like they were more naive than they actually were.

I suspect the more likely scenario is they don't actually care how accurate these nominal categorizations are. The information they're ultimately trying to extract is, given your history, how likely you are to click through a particular ad and engage in the way the advertiser wants (typically buying a product), and I would be surprised if the way they calculate that was human interpretable. In the Facebook incident w…

This. They would have been better off just tagging you with a GUID and it would have been less confusing. "This GUID is your bubble"

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Post by EngineerUSA »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #355
midlander wrote: post #255

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It is ironic that so many of the American billionaires decrying the erosion of American culture were not even born in America.

Thiel, Musk and Murdoch (owner of Fox News) were not born here, and were not even brought up in households of American influence. America is undermined by an enemy within, because no enemy outside our nation can do us damage to the extent these charlatans have done so far

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Post by goatlover »

blell wrote: post #127
direwolf20 wrote: post #83

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That's the question, isn't it? Why not just do that? Who are you trying to keep out of the country, and for what end, and is that end best attained by removing people from the country who aren't the ones you are trying to keep out? For instance, if you believe the border should be strict to keep out serial killers, what does that have to do with removing Korean car factory workers who aren't serial killers?

Because once they come in sufficient numbers they will turn your country into the country they fled from - and then you are in trouble.

So for the United States, it would primarily be family-oriented Spanish speaking Catholics whose kids will be bilingual and grandkids will speak only English? There have been waves of immigrants before where the Irish or Italians or Germans were seen as "invaders" undermining the character of the country. And then their descendants fully integrated and became part of the culture.

Also the US and Western European countries are in much better economic and civic conditions that the immigrants can take advantage of to live better lives and contribute.

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Post by testing22321 »

rlt wrote: post #429
testing22321 wrote: post #265

The US Attorney General also just said they’ll withdraw ICE from Minnesota if they hand over voter registration files. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-ti... They’re not even hiding the fact this has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with compiling lists of people to target later.

How would they target people using voter rolls? Is the concern that it includes party affiliation? Couldn't they just provide the rolls without party affiliation? Honestly it seems crazy even state governments know party affiliation. I know it's so they know who can vote in primaries etc, but it seems like you should just be able to register to vote with your party directly.

Yes, they’re going to go after anyone that voted for the other party. Trump already said they would, I guess this is how

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tombert »

steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #529
tombert wrote: post #264

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> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree. What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like…

Yes, exactly. But, I’ll admit it took me until the republican primary before the 2016 election for this to register in my mind. I was born in the US in the 80s & fell into the “what you see is all there is” bias (and hadn’t read enough history before then either). Another opinion that I’m sure will get me downvoted is that this is the primary reason I support gun ownership by private citizens. I think having a chance…

Apparently even if you legally own a gun they'll shoot you just for owning it anyway, so I'm not sure that will help.

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Post by tehwebguy »

rcpt wrote: post #3

Wishful thinking but it would be real great if a future leader destroyed this infrastructure. I'm sure they'll run on not using it but when systems like this exist they tend to find applications

The “opposition” has never not funded ICE. Throwing out national level republicans is not enough, almost all national level democrats have to be thrown out too.

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Post by cthalupa »

pandaman wrote: post #456
tombert wrote: post #448

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Yeah, true, they're just murdering civilians in the blue states.

Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of…

I feel like calling protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful riots tells me everything I need to know about the chances of this conversation being productive. Framing the language in a way that intrinsically devalues the fundamental first amendment right to assembly and speech puts all of this into a very obviously biased conversation.

Some of the George Floyd protests devolved into riots. That is not what is happening in MN, or TX, or anywhere. Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot.

ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement. Yet we see them issuing unlawful commands - like telling Good to get out of her vehicle. They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car. Pretti was shot after the weapon he had never brandished or gone for was removed from his person while he has a multitude of CBP agents dogpiling him. (We could also talk how that shot was insanely dangerous and stupid for the CBP officer to begin with, even if there had been a threat - he very easily could have shot his fellow officers.)

It doesn't matter if MPD is there. If they're absent, this doesn't suddenly give ICE and CBP the authority to police in a way that they are explicitly not allowed to do. This doesn't give them the right to shoot people when they are not actually in danger.

Fundamentally, I do not understand why you think anything in your comment is a rebuttal to the point being made. I don't understand why you think it is even relevant to the discussion at all.

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