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Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by KronisLV »

nmz wrote: post #490
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

I've often dreamed of a system where normal users, give money as a promotion for a certain issue to be fixed or even created, if the user wants feature X then he should be able to give an incentive towards that feature to be added into the software that they use, developers do bounties instead, the user doesn't have to give much only a dollar, but if many users want feature X, then the money/donations pool creating h…

> I've often dreamed of a system where normal users, give money as a promotion for a certain issue to be fixed or even created, if the user wants feature X then he should be able to give an incentive towards that feature to be added into the software that they use, developers do bounties instead, the user doesn't have to give much only a dollar, but if many users want feature X, then the money/donations pool creating higher incentives until the task itself matches the level of work to be performed to achieve it until merged.

Have a bot on GitHub that nags people about the pool of committed money towards each feature, to show that they care about it - with the money being placed into an escrow and being released once the feature is implemented and merged, or until a date is reached with no merge and it's given back to everyone / or when the request is closed with no changes. Ofc no idea how you'd validate each individual issue well enough to prevent someone from misusing it, but one could feasibly create such a system, even if it'd probably get a lot of opposition from everyone.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by zkmon »

hypeatei wrote: post #550
zkmon wrote: post #118

There's going to be avalanches of code everywhere. You can no longer expect some human to know what some code does or maintain it.

Which is exactly what the AI companies want. An unmaintainable mountain of code that you need their cloud-based, paywalled LLMs to handle for you.

Yep. Vendor-locking, AI-locking and also human-locking. The last one is where the code can only be maintained by specific persons.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by calenti »

burningChrome wrote: post #567
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

Years ago, I built what I thought was a pretty basic static site generator using HapiJS. I was using it for personal projects and after some convincing by friends, put it up on Github. My friends went on Reddit and posted it and then told me about it afterwards. It initially got some decent traction and then all of a sudden, all the pull requests came, all the feature requests and then all the bug reports. I kept tel…

Bitching is free and easier than making pull requests. And I bet it was 1 or 2 choads plus a variable pack of minions, not everyone. And Megacorp X can file all the bug reports they want, their lack of investment is not my urgency.

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Post by ozim »

mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

You mischaracterize the problem. You write like the problem would be corporate freeloaders forcing bug fixes on the open source.

Huge problem for successful OSS projects is like what we have for cURL right here - newbies trying to "earn badge of honor" for scoring CVE on high profile project. The variation of it is newbies trying to score OSS contribution on high profile project (hacktoberfest).

In the end all of it is propping own CV to land a software engineering job or cybersecurity job by wannabes.

As much as I don't want to do gatekeeping and especially "old" Linus Torvalds way of gatekeeping — cURL, Linux Kernel and many high profile projects require gatekeeping to go on forward. We didn't even start on the security side of things not to allow "shady contributors".

I hate "CV proppers", "OSS as great marketing tool", "corporate freeloaders", "APT threat actors using OSS as attack vector" because they break nice things that we could have.

Re: We will ban you and ridicule you in public if you waste our time on crap reports

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Post by mindentropy »

figassis wrote: post #374
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

This is one reason, the other is just fraud. Being from a developing country, I am well aware of the stigma of saying I don't know, which I had to strip out of me as I became an engineer to the point of me being immediately suspicious when someone tells me they know about some moldy complex topic, even if it's in their profession. The fraud part is that I developing countries, almost all activities that require some…

Perfectly put. Scamming is a cottage industry. No ethics whatsoever.

What I do is I go to the top guy, tell him I need an expert and nothing else. No experimentation whatsoever on my vehicle etc. I pay slightly extra for the troubles. Before I go for repairs I try to learn as much as possible to know what they will screw up next. If you go in as a layman, then it is fraud and incompetence central all the way.

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Post by hitekker »

joshlemer wrote: post #478
ambicapter wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if GP never answered this request for simple follow-up.

Not really. They said in their comment they deleted their whole account and everything. They probably don't want to continue to be ridiculed and to link the identity of that account with this one.

It's not "funny" ironic but still ironic, given jb1991's ambiguous accusation around his past ambiguity, with no follow-up information to clarify.

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

jen20 wrote: post #363
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> To create Free software, you ship sources together with your binaries and one of the OSI-approved licenses, that is all. Untrue. Shopping source with _some_ OSI-approved licenses makes the work Free software. Shipping it with others merely makes it open source software.

Technically correct, but not an issue in practice. If you want a licence that's approved by the OSI but not the FSF, or vice versa, you have to go looking for it. If memory serves there are no licences in the latter category, and the few in the former category are very obscure.

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Post by normie3000 »

emmaviolet wrote: post #391
normie3000 wrote: post #28

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I've seen this - it's tiring even at low volume. Goes something like: Someone creates a garbage issue. Someone else asks to be assigned. Someone from the project may say "we don't assign issues" (this step has zero effect over later steps). Someone else submits a PR. Maybe someone else will submit another PR. Maintainers then agonise how they can close issues and PR(s) without being rude or discouraging to genuine ef…

GitHub PM here working on how we can make this problem feel better for maintainers. Really appreciate how tiring this can be, especially when even low volume is sustained for many months. Would love your thoughts on some of the things we're thinking about: - Would it help to disable all PRs? All non-contributor PRs? - Would a "close as admin" button help address the issue of not wanting to be rude or discouraging? -…

Good questions, thanks. I'll share this thread with other maintainers. Is this the best place for feedback in a week or two? Or is there a GitHub meta discussion somewhere?

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Post by jgwil2 »

to11mtm wrote: post #511
freakynit wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

> Advice: If you want better results from Indian engineers(or designers or anyone else really), especially juniors (speaking as of now, things might change in near future), try to reduce the "authority" gap early on. Make it clear you are approachable and that asking questions is expected. For the first few weeks, work closely with them in the style you want them to follow.. they usually adapt very fast once they fee…

Do you mean that they were dinged if a PR they opened received too many comments? Can you elaborate on how the communication style changed after this? Like they were more willing to seek clarification/discussion?
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