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Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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There is a big issue in the US currently with people buying electric motorcycles that look like e-bikes.

What is the issue? I've seen people on those bikes and they look fun to ride.

The issue is they're mostly ridden by teenagers with still-developing frontal cortices. The death rate is still lower than cars, but they're much more dangerous than a "real" bike (or ebike)

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This, or a miniaturized version thereof could change the game for light electric vehicles - imagine an electric motorcycle that weighs substantially more like an electric bicycle. Right now it takes about 10-15lbs of motor to produce a 3KW motor for an electric bike, this motor is about 10 times that in power density afaict. The Livewire electric motorcycles use something like 100-200 lbs of motor to produce 1/4 as m…

The problem for electric motorcycles is the battery weight.

Ten years ago it was a problem.

Good, even some great, stuff out there, today.

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Right on. Buy a car with a heavier motor, then. I took this out to the shop floor yesterday and asked the guys what they could do with 10 fewer pounds in the leafs we have around, and believe me - I'm so much less excited about being vindicated in this thread, than I am about the ideas they came up with. Mostly nonsense, but there's some interesting stuff in there that I can't wait for them to try out!

I just posted this question to an executive advisory panel consisting of leaders from some of the largest car companies, and they could not stress enough how right and vindicated the other poster was, about a 10lb reduction, or even a 20lb reduction, being pretty insignificant when it comes to modern consumer cars. I guess it's just not worth it to pay way more for a motor just because it provides a pretty-insignific…

lol

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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Absolutely and on top of that far lower pollution from tyre and brake dust, and less damaging to the road top surface.

The weight difference would make an unmeasurable difference in those things.

The weight savings for similar power output to current PMSM motors is roughly the weight of a passenger per motor. As others have pointed out the savings become cumulative and beget more savings in other vehicle systems. So yes the difference would indeed positively affect those things.

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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> but aren't nearly as dangerous as motorcycles. What a ridiculous statement. I don't think there's any inherrent difference, but until the laws catch up the "powerful e-bikes" are clearly more dangerous. Riding a traditional motorcycle requires a license, passing a driving test, and following the rules of the road - none of which are true for e-bikes. But I'd love to hear why you think the opposite.

An ebike weighs less than a motorcycle by at least half (for super lightweight motorcycles) or less than 1/6th the weight. So a fast ebike is about as dangerous as merely the human person +100lbs traveling at speed. Thus, less energy to transmit to a pedestrian

And still fatal

https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/pedestrian-dead-aft...

In this case it was a bicycle and not an ebike. That said, anecdotally, many ebikes I see regularly travel faster than the people powered versions

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Calling Wal-Mart a supermarket is a giant stretch. As TFA says, some Wal-marts have groceries, and some have guns, and there is some small overlap between the two, but Wal-Mart is not what anyone would call a "Supermarket" - they are more an "Everything Store" where the "Everything" can vary by location which sometimes includes guns and groceries, but always includes TV's and frozen food and fishing supplies and clot…

I specifically said supermarkets, not grocery stores. I acknowledge they're not the same thing, but Walmart absolutely is a supermarket. And I'll pass on visiting the US why y'all have armed police running around tackling people & disappearing them, and are demanding social media passwords only to refuse entry if you've been critical of Dear Leader. Sort your shit out, then maybe.

> Walmart absolutely is a supermarket

As I said, even though I'm reluctantly willing to entertain this, it's an incredibly niche talking point. Except for this one corner case which is only kinda-sorta true, people cannot buy guns at grocery stores. That's nonsense, and your talking point is nonsense.

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Right, so they sell guns at a super market? Walmart is a super market and like you say, they sell guns. How is this "not really"?

Walmart isn’t a supermarket, it’s a hypermarket, which isn’t really the same thing. This isn’t specifically a US distinction: it would also not be called a “supermarché” in France for example. Most of them do have a (relatively small) grocery section, but are primarily dedicated to non-consumables like clothes, children’s toys, furniture, electronics, etc. Whereas a typical supermarket (e.g. Safeway, Fry’s, Albertson…

Exactly. His talking point seems to be, "In America you can go to a Tesco and buy a gun!" which is not remotely true. Replace with whatever stores you like in Europe (Carrefour, Aldi, whatever).

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The problem for electric motorcycles is the battery weight.

Ten years ago it was a problem. Good, even some great, stuff out there, today.

It's still a problem today, 2025. I think the LiveWire S2 models come closest, but they still have anemic range. (And we're ignoring cost, which is also much higher.)

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I specifically said supermarkets, not grocery stores. I acknowledge they're not the same thing, but Walmart absolutely is a supermarket. And I'll pass on visiting the US why y'all have armed police running around tackling people & disappearing them, and are demanding social media passwords only to refuse entry if you've been critical of Dear Leader. Sort your shit out, then maybe.

> Walmart absolutely is a supermarket As I said, even though I'm reluctantly willing to entertain this, it's an incredibly niche talking point. Except for this one corner case which is only kinda-sorta true, people cannot buy guns at grocery stores. That's nonsense, and your talking point is nonsense.

I never said grocery stores and you already agreed that what I did say is correct: You can buy guns at the supermarket in America.

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Walmart isn’t a supermarket, it’s a hypermarket, which isn’t really the same thing. This isn’t specifically a US distinction: it would also not be called a “supermarché” in France for example. Most of them do have a (relatively small) grocery section, but are primarily dedicated to non-consumables like clothes, children’s toys, furniture, electronics, etc. Whereas a typical supermarket (e.g. Safeway, Fry’s, Albertson…

Exactly. His talking point seems to be, "In America you can go to a Tesco and buy a gun!" which is not remotely true. Replace with whatever stores you like in Europe (Carrefour, Aldi, whatever).

Never mentioned Tesco, never mentioned grocery stores. That's just you putting words in my mouth.
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