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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by bombcar »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #581
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

> ...The is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade... I keep hearing this since the Intel 486DX times, and > Nobody will ever need more than 640K of RAM!

This is the first time I’ve gone four+ years without even a real desire to upgrade, I have a hard time figuring out even what would be faster.

Amusingly enough, adding more ports could do it.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by adastra22 »

knotimpressed wrote: post #91
Noaidi wrote: post #51

I am wondering if Apple's focus is off lately with this drive for AI. So far all they are showing in that presentation is that I can have "the ability to transform 2D photos into spatial scenes in the Photos app, or generating a Persona — operate with greater speed and efficiency." And by making Apple AI (which is something I do not use for many reasons, but mainly because of Climate Change) their focus, I am afraid…

Assuming you've read https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-cheat-sheet-for-conversa... or the longer full essay/related works, could you elaborate on why you don't use Apple Intelligence? I totally understand why someone would refuse to use it due to environmental reasons (amongst others) but I'm curious to hear your opinions on it.

> I totally understand why someone would refuse to use it due to environmental reasons

Huh. This one baffles me.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by alexeldeib »

bombcar wrote: post #585
gigatexal wrote: post #569

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Amazing. My M3Max is going to look like a paper-weight very soon. And that's fine by me. When I get an M6 or M7Max to replace it it'll be amazing.

I’m trying to find any reason I can that my M1 Max needs replacement; it’s hard. How do you justify it?

Fun one: https://incident.io/blog/festive-macbooks

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by elzbardico »

willahmad wrote: post #150
Etheryte wrote: post #31

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You can already do that, just how slow or fast you go depends on how much you're ready to pay for memory. It's a $1200 premium to go from 36GB to 128GB of unified memory, that cost is hard to justify unless you really need it, or if someone else is paying.

None is comparable to GPT-5 or Sonnet 4.5 experience

Frankly, right now I am way more satisfied with qwen-3-coder-420 using Cerebras inference than with those more powerful models.

Inference speed and fast feedback matter a lot more than perfect generation to me.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by bombcar »

vessenes wrote: post #244
lelandfe wrote: post #138

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As a UI/UX nerd, it’s a coin flip on intentionality. I’ve been noticing so many rough edges to Apple’s software when it used to astound. iOS Settings search will flash “No Results” as you begin to type which is comically amateurish. The macOS menu bar control panels can’t be keyboard navigated... It’s just silly. I’ve been debating making a Tumblr-style blog, something like “dumbapple.com,” to catalogue all the dumb…

Liquid Glass feels rushed to me. Tons of UI annoyances especially on iPhone - it's suddenly many clicks to get to prior calls for instance, a core way I call people. I'm imagining it will get ironed out over the next two years.

It really does. It’s a two-year update and hey should have had two teams - one for Liquid Glass working for the next release, and one doing a Snow Leopard-type cleanup for this year. Let the Mac and iPhone be a bit out of sync if needed.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by HeckFeck »

gcr wrote: post #165

So how many hardware systems does Apple silicon have for doing matrix multiplies now? 1. CPU, via SIMD/NEON instructions (just dot products) 2. CPU, via AMX coprocessor (entire matrix multiplies, M1-M3) 3. CPU, via SME (M4) 4. GPU, via Metal (compute shaders + simdgroup-matrix + mps matrix kernels) 4. Neural Engine via CoreML (advisory) Apple also appears to be adding a “Neural Accelerator” to each core on the M5?

Adding CPUs and GPUs on top of your CPUs and GPUs... Sounds like we've the spiritual successor of the Sega Saturn.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by dysoco »

lenkite wrote: post #222
mikepurvis wrote: post #80

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Sixteen years ago, John Gruber wrote: > Hardware and software both matter, and Apple’s history shows that there’s a good argument to be made for developing integrated hardware and software. But if you asked me which matters more, I wouldn’t hesitate to say software. All things considered I’d much prefer a PC running Mac OS X to a Mac running Windows. https://daringfireball.net/2009/11/the_os_opportunity At the time I…

Windows would have beat MacOS only if Microsoft had just done one small, teeny-weeny thing - just left the OS alone after Win 10.

Oh but they absolutely did beat MacOS. The amount of people who give a damn about UI polish, response times, etc. is insignificant to them.

They got away with pushing ads, online and enterprise services, Copilot, etc. to every desktop user.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by gardnr »

nullbyte wrote: post #488
gcr wrote: post #165

So how many hardware systems does Apple silicon have for doing matrix multiplies now? 1. CPU, via SIMD/NEON instructions (just dot products) 2. CPU, via AMX coprocessor (entire matrix multiplies, M1-M3) 3. CPU, via SME (M4) 4. GPU, via Metal (compute shaders + simdgroup-matrix + mps matrix kernels) 4. Neural Engine via CoreML (advisory) Apple also appears to be adding a “Neural Accelerator” to each core on the M5?

Thankfully I think libraries like Pytorch abstract this stuff away. But it seems very convoluted if you're building something from the ground up.

Does PyTorch support other acceleration? I thought they just support Metal.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by nu11ptr »

bombcar wrote: post #585
gigatexal wrote: post #569

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Amazing. My M3Max is going to look like a paper-weight very soon. And that's fine by me. When I get an M6 or M7Max to replace it it'll be amazing.

I’m trying to find any reason I can that my M1 Max needs replacement; it’s hard. How do you justify it?

I am in the same boat as my Rust compile times are solid. I'm good for now, but with the M4 max twice as fast, upgrading to the M5 max next year could be a tempting upgrade.
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