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Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by mcguire »

bluGill wrote: post #509
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #378

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Not sure how this comforts anyone. We need labor, there aren't enough spa management and pet groomer positions to build an economy upon. What good does it do for anyone that we manufacture more, if there aren't enough good-paying jobs to go around to support a broad consumer base for those same products you say are being manufactured without (much) labor? Why would any foreign nation even want to manufacture goods to…

We need jobs for everyone for various reasons. However we do not need factory jobs for everyone. The manufacture more with less people means those other people can move on to other jobs. They can start another factory to make goods. There are plenty of jobs. Every person who isn't manufacturing is a person who can do something else. A modern car uses a lot more engineers. While we don't need many spa mangers, it is n…

Don't forget that people don't really want factory jobs, which suck; they want union jobs that pay well and don't kill them.

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Post by kentm »

isaacremuant wrote: post #572
watwut wrote: post #555

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It was Trump whobrefused to accept election results, not democrats. And yes, conservatives base their policies and electoral successes on massive amount of lies.

Russiagate.

… was not Democrats refusing to accept election results. Thats a talking point by republicans trying to downplay Jan 6 and the false electors plot, not actual fact.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by VierScar »

Take8435 wrote: post #486
atonse wrote: post #472

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Wow I loved this "What's going on with US Ports" video. Subscribed. I love channels like this. People with a deep understanding that just report facts as they are. I wish more mainstream media did this.

That's the thing. "Mainstream" Media in the US are no longer bound to the fairness doctrine. Thus, we have corporate ownership which steers how a story is written or at all. Independent media beholden only to their viewers (not corporate benefactors) are incentivized to do what you want more effectively.

Thank goodness the alternative media is bound by the fairness doctrine and don't choose how to cover a story, or if at all, and not incentived to reinforce their audience's beliefs and extremify content for views.

At least they ensure they are well researched on the matters they talk about. Right?

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by ethbr1 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #575
sanderjd wrote: post #551

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Maybe! I struggle to see why you would feel confident in this outcome.

Mostly because everyone has benefited so much from the world order as it exists that no one really wants to lose it other than some fringe wackos. China definitely is a huge winner in the current world construction, Europe as well. The only losers are those that actively fight it - Russia, North Korea, and Iran. I think very few countries really see global domination through conquest as a legitimate goal, and the dom…

> beyond Taiwan and the south China seas

That's a pretty big caveat.

To frame the question another way -- which does China want more, an international rules based order or Taiwan and nine dashes of maritime territory?

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Post by sanderjd »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #575
sanderjd wrote: post #551

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Maybe! I struggle to see why you would feel confident in this outcome.

Mostly because everyone has benefited so much from the world order as it exists that no one really wants to lose it other than some fringe wackos. China definitely is a huge winner in the current world construction, Europe as well. The only losers are those that actively fight it - Russia, North Korea, and Iran. I think very few countries really see global domination through conquest as a legitimate goal, and the dom…

I feel like relying on this thesis that people won't overthrow the world order because everyone has benefited so much is an odd choice at this particular moment.

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Post by anigbrowl »

elbasti wrote: post #556
anigbrowl wrote: post #536

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>GPG business what does that mean

Sorry, it was a typo (now corrected). I meant to type "CPG" (Consumer Packaged Goods). Ie, stuff they sell in supermarket aisles that is not food.

Thanks! I was super confused, as there are several corporations with generic-sounding names that shorten to GPG.

I agree with your points btw. My friend is a retail director specializing in this area and has been at pains to educate me (and anyone else willing to listen) on the depth and severity of the impending supply dislocation.

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Post by const_cast »

kentm wrote: post #592
isaacremuant wrote: post #572

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Russiagate.

… was not Democrats refusing to accept election results. Thats a talking point by republicans trying to downplay Jan 6 and the false electors plot, not actual fact.

And, to be fair, as time goes on allegations of Russian allegiance on the part of Trump seem less and less far-fetched.

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Post by anigbrowl »

otterley wrote: post #538
anigbrowl wrote: post #531

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And if they feel sufficiently shut out of the political process they'll rely on their guns. If you think the US is immune from insurgent dynamics, please read more widely. I think you'd find it particularly worthwhile to look into the collapse of Yugoslavia, which also had a federal system.

Well, we did have a civil war some time ago! But given the gross imbalance of military capability between the state and the citizen, I’m not worried today about a successful violent overthrow of the USA.

That was equally true in Yugoslavia, and indeed in Afghanistan. I think it's extremely naive to assume the US is immune from this. When I told people 10-15 years ago that I thought the US was ripe for and vulnerable to autocratic political leadership nobody took it seriously either, yet here we are.

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Post by theevilsharpie »

999900000999 wrote: post #329
parineum wrote: post #271

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> Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? I guess you forgot about the corpse of Biden. Harris belongs in that "challengers" category except she had less support than DeSantis and Haley (from both Democrats and Republicans!). Harris has neve…

It started in 2008. The Democratic party tried to rig it for Clinton. I'm sure she's a wonderful person in real life, but she's one of the most unpopular people to ever run for office. Obama actually is likeable, easily winning the primary and both elections. The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the…

> The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win.

Sanders was a candidate in the Democratic primary (which is already a significant accommodation, with Sanders not even being a member of the Democratic party), and was strongly rejected by Democratic voters -- twice.

The constant whining from Sanders fans about the DNC is simply annoying, and is basically the same conspiratorial thinking that MAGA adherents display when they complain about the "deep state".

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

const_cast wrote: post #597
kentm wrote: post #592

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… was not Democrats refusing to accept election results. Thats a talking point by republicans trying to downplay Jan 6 and the false electors plot, not actual fact.

And, to be fair, as time goes on allegations of Russian allegiance on the part of Trump seem less and less far-fetched.

I mean... what's undoubtedly true is that Trump actively called for foreign intelligence services to attack his political adversary, and then they did that with the express goal of helping Trump win.

The fact that Mueller couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a specific deal had been made is pretty much immaterial.

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