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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by switch007 »

jmpman wrote: post #422

Yesterday, my high school son was sitting on the couch. Asked him what he was doing… “social studies on the partitioning of Palestine in 1948”. More spicy a topic that I was expecting. Intrigued, I asked ChatGPT a few questions about the religious populations of modern Israel throughout the centuries. Got some interesting results and asked it for some clarification on the political sensitivity of this topic. It agree…

Isn't another wild thing here that Apple chooses whether to send it encrypted or not? Sorry, haven't used an iPhone with iMessage, not sure how it works.

Try Signal instead perhaps?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

sfx77 wrote: post #565
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three quarters of Israel's victims have been women and children. They had a nicknamed "Daddy's Home" protocol which was designed to blow up houses when the whole family was home to maximise the chance of killing the "alleged" terrorist (of which they only spent 10-20 seconds identifying). Are you blind to the atrocities of the past two years or do you really just not value an innocent palestinian life the same as an…

that's a lie. https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-dea... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/14/world/israel-gaza-wa... It's not even the first lie as the UN revised their statistics silently as well. It's pretty amazing how much bs you're willing to believe about Israel, yet not a single critique of the perpetrators of this attack or their supporters. Sounds to me like you're just set on condem…

You have refused to acknowledge the validity of my sources, or the others sources (lancet peer reviewed article), which highlight the significant imbalance in human suffering between the two sides, and continued to derail the topic away from the current atrocities. We have covered all of your arguments already. My only conclusion is that you don't believe palestinians have the same right to life as israelis, and that is a very sad conclusion, or you deliberately refuse to acknowledge the reality of it and get off on trying to win arguments from your position while already knowing it's morally flawed and are engaging in bad faith, which is disturbing. I only wish you could value all human life the same. You are missing out on something great. Palestinians are not animals any more than Israelis are.

Your classic claims of "un bias" "kangaroo court" and "world is biased against israel" have been proven wrong a hundredfold, and are stale and archaic by this point, and people will never stop supporting palestinians, because people who know they are moral and are set on being moral won't be put off, no matter how much you try and twist the knife. you wont silence morality, equality, or humanity, no matter how much you try to to help your narrative.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by liorsbg »

I just re-read the article, and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. There’s a bunch of circumstantial stuff that people are choosing to feed into their narrative.

Facebook has some rules and community guidelines, the Israeli government recognized some posts that violate those and asked for them to be taken down, and Facebook complied in accordance to their own rules.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nabla9 »

liorsbg wrote: post #593

I just re-read the article, and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. There’s a bunch of circumstantial stuff that people are choosing to feed into their narrative. Facebook has some rules and community guidelines, the Israeli government recognized some posts that violate those and asked for them to be taken down, and Facebook complied in accordance to their own rules.

Nothing illeagal. Just dirty.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #486
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

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You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

Well, Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next — but they certainly do share some methods.

> Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next

I can't tell what you mean by this? Is it sarcasm? Is there another group who is like this?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by nindalf »

maeil wrote: post #353
esafak wrote: post #327

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Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").

When I asked dang about GDPR this is how he explained HN’s stance on not allowing broad comment and account deletion

> Re GDPR: our understanding based on the analysis done by YC's legal team is that HN does not fall under the GDPR, so for the time being we're sticking with the approach of not deleting account histories wholesale but helping with privacy concerns in more precise ways.

> Re "aren’t these comments owned by the person who wrote them"? That's a complicated legal question, no doubt, and also philosophically. From my perspective, two other factors are that (1) the threads are co-creations (see pg on that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6813226) and (2) posting to an internet forum is publishing something, not dissimilar to sending a letter to the editor of a newspaper.

> Obviously there are many reasonable takes on this. Ours is that we're trying to balance the community interests of a public forum (mainly the interest of commenters not to have their comments deprived of context, and the interest of the community in preserving its archive) with the need to protect individuals. That's a lot of work—we end up taking care of requests manually for people every day—but we're committed to both sides of it because it seems like the only way to do justice to both sides.

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Post by DrFalkyn »

whatshisface wrote: post #490
elcritch wrote: post #396

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Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

The way it works in American culture is quite simple. You are allowed to say whatever you like, but certain acts (like vandalism, or causing bodily harm to another individual) are criminalized. What we find in practice is that the truly awful people commit these crimes in addition to speaking awful things. We avoid punishing the merely incorrect.

This isn’t quite true. The last language from the Supreme Court, in Brandeburg vs. Ohio ( 1969) was “imminent lawless action”. There’s also standards for the public airwaves, which are regulated by the FCC. maybe not as important as they used to be, but still there and the major networks which are also broadcasters abide Also there’s specific exceptions like threatening the President, and “obscene” material, such as porn.

The there’s the question of private ownership of the platform. You certainly can’t say whatever yiu want on YouTube, for instance.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

throwing_away wrote: post #259
ath3nd wrote: post #158

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> You’re not arrested for posting this Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-... Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/arti…

It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews". The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

> The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

American life is defined by the acceptance of dissent and the encouragement of even distasteful free speech. If that's not American, what even is American?

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Post by jgil »

liorsbg wrote: post #593

I just re-read the article, and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. There’s a bunch of circumstantial stuff that people are choosing to feed into their narrative. Facebook has some rules and community guidelines, the Israeli government recognized some posts that violate those and asked for them to be taken down, and Facebook complied in accordance to their own rules.

Having a system of rules does not mean that the system is inherently well-designed or well-intentioned.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by [deleted] »

mmooss wrote: post #578
dijit wrote: post #334

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I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

> they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. It's taking it way to far to suppress speech - political speech, the most important speech - for slipping in the 'wrong' slogans. > My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes While Hamas commits many horrors and…

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