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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by footy »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #346

I have a close relationship with a Chinese national that is going through the US immigration process. His view on situations like this are enlightening. He knows the difference between true dictatorships and political wranglings in the news. No system is perfect, and bad things happen to good people every day. In this circumstance, it looks like this person didn't follow all the appropriate rules related to the enter…

because fear of being deported is not the same as "fear of being held in a for-profit prison without being given any information"

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Etheryte »

9rx wrote: post #540
Etheryte wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming four generations attend, that would work out to over four kids per couple. Older generations often had a lot of kids, but that still sounds like a pretty high number to me. First gen: 1 person, plus 1 spouse, for 2 people. Second gen: 4 children of the 1st gen, plus 4 spouses, for 8 additional people. Third gen: 16 children of the 2nd gen, plus 16 spouses, for 32 additional people. Fourth gen: 64 young child…

> Assuming four generations attend In my neck of the woods that would only be considered a "family gathering". You will see that group on a fairly regular basis (holidays, birthdays, quiet weekend, etc.) A "family reunion", indicating reuniting of family that doesn't see each other so often, extends further – at least five or even six generations. But also 4 kids is nothing for a Bin Laden. Maybe if you multiply by 1…

I'm assuming there's a mixup here with what you take the word "generation" to mean? A generation is generally all the people of a rough age group, so your parents and your spouse's parents are from the same generation. A generation is usually considered to be roughly 25-30 years wide, since that's about when people have kids. I wouldn't really say it's realistic for six generations to attend, that would mean everyone involved had their kids once they turned 18 and the oldest one attending is still 108 years old.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by tac19 »

motorest wrote: post #581
tac19 wrote: post #563

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The point that started my original response. Explaining a new, apparently hypocritical, propensity to trust such government actions. Whether any of us agree with it or not, is irrelevant to the explanation of why it has happened.

> The point that started my original response. The original response stated the following: > The new administration has no regards for law. They are breaking multiple laws. This isn't how you get things done. Your personal perception of hypocrisy is immaterial. OP's point is that this sort of policy is being supported bY rampant abuse and violations of the law and constitution. If your original argument is how you th…

You joined the conversation too late. Go up one parent level and see that the ONLY thing I was talking about, was explaining the apparent hypocrisy the OP had identified. The rest of this thread has been unnecessary and irrelevant objections to that point.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

codexb wrote: post #467
stewx wrote: post #4

My takeaway from this is that laws and rules don't matter if the officials on the ground are incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you. There is a lot of unnecessary cruelty and lack of due process in this story.

The San Diego port of entry is the busiest land border crossing in the western hemisphere. The takeaway here should be that the resources to handle immigration along the southern border are insufficient.

Imprisoning someone takes far more resources than any other way of handling them, so I don't see how lack of resources can be blamed here.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ethbr1 »

blindriver wrote: post #471
freehorse wrote: post #419

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It is you that actually has to answer on which rules were broken and which countries do the same . Tbf asking questions to be answered by non-examples is disingenuous. If your argument (2) is that others do it, then you should provide concrete examples similar to the original article. If your argument (1) is that they did not follow some rules, you should either provide specific rules that the author did not follow,…

She tried to enter the country illegally and illegally apply for a work visa. 1) She co-founded a hemp drink company in California as a Canadian. "Jasmine Mooney, an actor who is also co-founder of the beverage brand Holy! Water, was detained on 3 March in San Diego, California." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-act... 2) She applied for a TN visa that was sponsored by her own company, which i…

Did you look up Section 214.6(b) [0] before you posted?

Curious how you determined

>> A professional will be deemed to be self-employed if he or she will be rendering services to a corporation or entity of which the professional is the sole or controlling shareholder or owner.

Do you have a link to the ownership structure of Holy! Water?

[0] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2012-title8-vol1/pdf...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by yolo666999420 »

neves wrote: post #413
yolo666999420 wrote: post #308

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For whatever it's worth, I'm treated this way as a white American. I'm selected for extra screening every single time I reenter the country. Though, I don't think it's ever been longer that 30 minutes or so. I don't know why but some combination of having a beard, being naturally anxious and having traveled to "unusual" countries -- at least by American standards. Crossing the border makes for a guaranteed panic atta…

I'm curious: which were the unusual countries?

Turkey and India, afaict.

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Post by contagiousflow »

bobalob wrote: post #519
contagiousflow wrote: post #363

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What actual policies prevent bad behavior?

In the case of prison policy, keeping prisoners strictly separated by sex, with no transfers of male prisoners into women's prisons allowed, under any circumstances. Prisons should of course have safeguarding policy for further separation of vulnerable inmates within the prison. Interestingly this is exactly what male prisoners with a transgender identity were requesting, according to https://www.newyorker.com/magazi…

Do you think the status quo of American prisons is good for anyone? I agree that this issue could be handled better, but as a non-American I've been horrified by many more things in the American prison system than this.

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Post by [deleted] »

dragonwriter wrote: post #415
1024core wrote: post #410

> The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. Why is it so hard to write "ICE" ? It is an acronym.

> Why is it so hard to write "ICE" ? It is an acronym. Setting acronyms in all-caps is a common American stylistic choice, but far from universal in English language writing; initial-cap for acronyms and all-caps for non-acronym initialisms is also a common style, globally, in written English.

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Post by jkaplowitz »

riizade wrote: post #575
rsanek wrote: post #561

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never experienced this as a us citizen and I travel often. usually it is a polite "welcome home", otherwise it's a bored "ok you're good"

I got a light interrogation as a US citizen. For the record, I have Global Entry, NEXUS, and TSA Pre-Check. I handed the border agent my US passport and the conversation went like this "why are you entering the country?" "I live here" "do you have legal status in the US?" "I'm a citizen, you're holding my passport" "have you ever overstayed a visa in the US in the past?" "I was born here, so no" "do you intend to do…

That is indeed quite bizarre. Most of those questions literally don't matter for a citizen, and if you were somehow falsely claiming to be a citizen, the other questions also don't matter because a false claim to US citizenship is punished more harshly by US immigration law than the other things they were worried about. (Such false claims make one permanently ineligible for permanent immigration to the US, with no waiver available, and require a waiver for any kind of nonimmigrant admission.)

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Post by consteval »

tac19 wrote: post #456
yks wrote: post #355

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In a blink of an eye Americans went from "the government is out there to oppress you" to "if the government says the undisclosed people it snatches from the streets and deports are criminals, it must be true".

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Except almost none of these cases are given due process, so we're just meant to believe them. It's trivial to say people are terrorists or gang members or whatever, doing it in court is hard. That's why they don't.
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