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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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You're right of course, but it's sort of meaningless. I live in Germany where there isn't nearly as much gun crime, but Musk isn't about to move Twitter to Germany.

Don't your police regularly jail people for non-violent speech? I don't see Musk moving to Germany.

They jail people for antisemitic and nazi speech, if for you this is "non-violent", I have a history lesson on 1939-1945 to show you.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Middle ages folks hate it because they are most likely to have kids and cities (in the US) tend to be kid hostile. What I'm calling city below is probably better described as downtown - most cities extend out farther and have areas that are nothing like what follows - but are also nothing like what you described as what people move to the city for. Parks in the city tend to be focused on art. They often lack kid basi…

Cities are far more kid-friendly than suburbs, especially for kids from age ~9–18. Everything is walkable or can be reached by transit, many more amenities and activities are accessible, kids are dramatically less dependent on parents or other caretakers to constantly chaperone them, and there are a wider variety of other kids around with many niche interests. Some kids' parents irrationally believe cities will be ba…

This assumes that the parents consider the city safe enough for the kids to wander around unsupervised. The perceptions may be bullshit, but people still act on them. Statistically speaking the schools in the city are going to score lower on pretty much every test than the suburban ones, sometimes by large margins.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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> This is not to impunge on your credibility, but it takes me 16 minutes...of course, I e-bike The typical worker in SF doesn't bike to work. Only 3.4% of workers in SF biked in 2012 [1] and 4.2% in 2018 [2]. Furthermore, e-bikes represented 4% of the US bike market in 2022 [3]. There is value in considering how a company's location impacts the vast majority of its employees. [1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/archi…

You don’t really need an e-bike to go from the Mission to SoMa as it is pretty flat. I don’t think it will take you much longer on a regular bike. But your statistic that you showed is a bit flawed as it includes people that commute from outside and into SF, hardly any of whom does so on bikes, so this methodology will always show bias against walking or rolling (I don’t know a better methodology, it is just somethin…

> And I very much doubt they spend more than 40 min commuting each day in each direction.

My point is that 16 minutes is not a a reasonable estimate for the commute the vast majority will experience from the Mission to SoMa. 40 is a more reasonable estimate and is pretty close to the grandparent's estimate of 50 minutes.

I know from experience that walking would take much longer than 16 minutes as would taking transit.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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You can take Caltrain to San Jose. I did this commute for several years when I lived in SF and worked in SJ. With electrification coming top Caltrain this fall, it should be faster than the current diesel trains. Depending on where Twitter's offices are in Palo Alto and San Jose, it probably won't be that bad.

Are they upgrading the tracks as well? Diesel trains can run at 80mph no problem, which is about the maximum any standard US railroad supports. If the track is built to high speed standards you could go faster.

The track has a lot of at-grade intersections with roads running through the mid-peninsula - it seems unlikely they'll be running trains at 80mph.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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It’s been a while since we had sf offices, but back when we did sf had a pretty aggressive additional payroll tax and gross receipts taxes. I’d imagine this is likely a factor in the decision. I know for a while they were waiving some of these taxes for companies who set up offices in certain parts of the city. E.g. zendesk got a big tax break for its market street location near the tenderloin. As for commutes, I’d b…

> Even commuting within sf can be kind of a pain it took our folks 50 minutes from both areas in the mission and Menlo Park to get to an office in South Park. This is not to impunge on your credibility, but it takes me 16 minutes to get from my door in 21st and Valencia to the door at 313 Brandan next to South Park. This touches on some positive trends in San Francisco: of course, I e-bike, so I can get anywhere pret…

Employee in question took Muni + Walked. I biked and did a baby bullet from Menlo Park.

My estimates could be off by ~10 or so minutes it was a while ago.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

Middle ages folks hate it because they are most likely to have kids and cities (in the US) tend to be kid hostile. What I'm calling city below is probably better described as downtown - most cities extend out farther and have areas that are nothing like what follows - but are also nothing like what you described as what people move to the city for. Parks in the city tend to be focused on art. They often lack kid basi…

> Parks in the city tend to be focused on art. They often lack kid basics like swings and sand.

Leaving NYC my son was disappointed in almost any park we'd go to. Most smaller cities and towns have a few decent playgrounds but in the city we had 3-4 in walking distance that were amazing and another 10 within a single subway stop.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Agree but it appears a sizeable amount of young men see themselves in him somehow and therefore idolize him. As long as he has that cult of personality, people will gladly accept the abuse for a chance to be near him.

Well, even if I subscribe to "every company under Elon's management is a shit show" (and I do), and I don't idolize him (I really don't), if I lived anywhere close and were in my 20s, I would consider joining for a year or two just for the lulz. Twitter is still insanely influential, so it would be fun to be behind the scenes. I also suspect that software engineers can still learn a lot there.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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No, cities are not only the super dense large cities. Smaller cities exist too, and are comparable to the suburbs of large cities in their feel.

No, those are called towns, because they're not actually cities if they don't have the density to support city-grade amenities.

Given that the OP was from the UK, a "city" is a town with a cathedral. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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As a UK chap, can someone give me their opinion on if San Jose is a more pleasant place to live than San Fran these days?

They are very different propositions. San Jose: your average American city, in terms of looks, but considerably more upscale. San Francisco: an NYC-style "world-class city." It's trying for that title in terms of tempo, density, architecture. Doesn't always succeed of course, but the cities are fundamentally going after different goals.

San Jose is just expensive, not upscale.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Is the constant stream of flamebait (this action and other recent changes) helpful for twitter, or part of some larger strategy?

To me the service seems increasingly unreliable and unprofessional. Then again, I no longer feel like I'm the target audience. The numbers seem bad too; revenue was 22% down in 2023[1]. Also, "global active daily users of X via mobile apps had steadily declined during the year after Musk acquired the company, down 16% by September 2023"[2].

I'm puzzled.

[1]: https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_under_Elon_Musk#Statis...

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