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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by renegade-otter »

qingcharles wrote: post #494
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I demo'd a full browser office suite in 1998 called Office Wherever (o-w.com). It used Java applets to do a lot of the more tricky functions. Shopped it around VCs. Got laughed out of all the meetings. "Companies storing their documents on the Internet?! You're out of your mind!"

Some things are just too ahead of their times.

Globe dot com was basically Facebook, but the critical mass wasn't there. Nor were the smartphones.

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Post by aeyes »

rochak wrote: post #209
nozzlegear wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I was reading Andrew's comment to myself, I was trying to figure out when and why I stopped using swype typing on my phone. Then it hit me – I stopped after I switched from Android to iOS a few years ago. Something about the iOS implementation just doesn't feel right.

Apple's version is shit. Period. That's why.

But you can install other keyboards like SwiftKey or Gboard which are closer to what you are used to on Android.

My only issue is that no keyboard implementation really supports more than two languages which makes me switch back to plain qwerty with autocomplete all the time.

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Post by nojvek »

Anyone remember the Google IO demo where they had their “AI” call a barber to book an appointment.

Turns out it was all staged.

Lost a lot of trust after that.

Google is stuck in innovators dilemma.

They make 300B of revenue which ~90% is ads revenue.

Their actual mission that management chain optimizes for is their $ growth.

A superior AI model that gives the user exactly what they want would crash their market cap.

Microsoft has tons of products with Billion+ profit, Google has only a handful and other than cloud they all tie to Ads.

Google is addicted to ads. If chrome adds a feature that decreases ad revenue, that team gets a stick.

Nothing at Google should jeopardize their ad revenue.

AI is directly a threat to Google’s core business model - ads. It’s obvious they’re gonna half ass it.

For OpenAI, AI is existential for them. If they don’t deliver, they’ll die.

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Post by Alifatisk »

nojvek wrote: post #594

Anyone remember the Google IO demo where they had their “AI” call a barber to book an appointment. Turns out it was all staged. Lost a lot of trust after that. Google is stuck in innovators dilemma. They make 300B of revenue which ~90% is ads revenue. Their actual mission that management chain optimizes for is their $ growth. A superior AI model that gives the user exactly what they want would crash their market cap.…

No way, was Google Duplex fake?!

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Post by nyxtom »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #492
nyxtom wrote: post #488

Silicon Valley is plagued by over promising far too early and fooling everyone we are years ahead of where we actually are. Estimates are always way off, and claims and even fake demos are almost always oversold to get investors.

Which means anyone who isn’t engaged in the hype cycle looks bad by comparison. Still I would distinguish between genuine optimism and cynical exaggeration. If you go back and read what was being said in and around the 70s about technology and watch the demos they gave…it always makes me feel a little sad for them. People really thought so many things were right around the corner, e.g. if a computer can beat a human…

True. I think the optimism and grandiosity of the engineers with gems in their eyes keeps the passion going to work hard - some are just are terrible at grounding ourselves in reality. Genuine science needs to take more foothold, skepticism and curiosity over certainty of accelerated outcomes or non existant (heck even fraudulent in some situations) capabilities

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Post by tailspin2019 »

wharvle wrote: post #364
kozikow wrote: post #204

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It's funny because now the OpenAI keynote feels like it's emulating the Google keynotes from 5 years ago. Google Keynote feels like it's emulating the Apple keynote from 5 years ago. And the Apple keynote looks like robots just out of an uncanny valley pretending to be humans - just like keynotes might look in 5 years, but actually made by AI. Apple is always ahead of the curve in keynote trends.

I hadn’t thought about it until just now, but the most recent Apple events really are the closest real-person thing I’ve ever seen to some of the “good” computer generated photorealistic (kinda…) humans “reading” with text-to-speech that I’ve seen. It’s the stillness between “beats” that does it, I think, and the very-constrained and repetitive motion.

Is there such a concept as a “reverse uncanny valley”??

Where humans behave so awkwardly that they seem artificial but are just not quite close enough…

If so, Apple have totally nailed the reverse uncanny valley!

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Post by tailspin2019 »

jq-r wrote: post #588
ilkke wrote: post #563

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"make it feel more like a hospital"

To me it feels more like a cult. Wear this kind of shoes and clothing. Make these hand gestures, talk that way. They look and sound fake, over processed and living in their own bubble detached from the rest of the world.

I’m what many would describe as a bit of an Apple fanboy but for the last few years I’ve been skipping most keynotes. They are becoming pretty unbearable.

I used to look forward to watching them live but now I just go back after the event and skip through the videos to see the most relevant bits (or just read the various reports instead).

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Post by eurekin »

ntlk wrote: post #586
visarga wrote: post #377

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What stops you from asking the same question multiple times, and seeing if the answers are consistent. I am sure the capital of France is always going to come out Paris, but the name of a river passing a small village might be hallucinated differently. Even better - use two different models, if they agree it's probably true. And probably the best - provide the data to the model in context, if you have a good source.…

Can’t speak for other people but I find it more time consuming to get ChatGPT to correct its mistakes than to do the work myself.

What type of work? I'm really only interested in coding related help :)
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