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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by guax »

nicoburns wrote: post #100
jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

20% improvement is substantial even if not worth an upgrade. Add the same for next iteration and it the gap gets sizeable and harder to resist. I'm actually reliefer i can keep my less than a month old 16 inch since it was 700 euro cheaper than a new M2 pro and not worth returning for 20% improvement

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by nfriedly »

Filligree wrote: post #90
cantSpellSober wrote: post #55

> MagSafe 3 charging The biggest differences between v2 and v3 of MagSafe are: • v3 is 1 mm longer (doesn't fit v2 models) • v3 supports PD 3.1 ...is that all? > Thunderbolt 4 Type-C ports ...these do NOT support PD 3.1, correct?

On the M1 Pro, the supplied power brick is a USB-C charger. You can plug it either into the Magsafe port or the C ports on the laptop, and it works the same either way.

On my 2021 MBP, I have to use the USB-C/MagSafe cable to get 140W charging.

Using a USB-C to USB-C cable (with the same charger) gets 100W charging instead because of a limitation on the laptop side (USB PD 3.1 on the MagSafe port vs USB PD 3.0 on the USB-C ports).

Hopefully they're fixed that for this iteration of MBP, but I haven't seen that explicitly claimed anywhere.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by BozeWolf »

sergioisidoro wrote: post #573

There was just one thing I needed to know - Did they ditch the touch bar? Finally, they did! I have an M1 macbook air because it was the only one without the bar. I've been waiting for this for a long time!

The previous m1 pro’s do not have a touch bar either. Go get the m2, the m1 is already great… highly recommend!

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

incanus77 wrote: post #505
scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The settings window in MacOS needed to evolve IMHO. Just like the old disgusting confusing Windows settings/profilers/doodads, it worked only for old Mac power users. When the young audience is coming from iOS, MacOS has to satisfy what they’re used to. And Apple needs to stay consistent to not become like Windows. As I age and switch constantly between OSes and devices for work, search has increasingly become my pri…

Yeah, I can see this. However, I’ve been on iOS from the start (as a developer) and there is not a lot of sense to why some settings are organized the way that they are. - “General” is a trash fire of hodgepodge - “Home Screen” & “Wallpaper” are separate top-levels In general, the top level items are grouped by task, but the tasks aren’t labeled but instead implied: - Radio signals (Airplane Mode, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) -…

Oh yeah agreed, hence my approach with search taking over. Who has the time to be pointing around ever changing menus. (Which fails of course when what you’re looking for can’t be easily named to search.)

But for a corporation making these decisions, I would venture that the questions around how iOS should do it better are a separate concern from this merging the iOS way into the Mac way.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by f8 »

I love the MBP with the M1 chip, but my biggest gripe is it lacks dual monitor support natively. I shouldn't have to use DisplayLink to get the second monitor working. Just been working on a single monitor since I got this thing because I heard DisplayLink is a buggy resource hog.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by kkielhofner »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #363
StreamBright wrote: post #140

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As a heavy Linux user for two decades I disagree. You can't even talk about Linux vs MacOS because the actual distribution you use matters a lot more than the kernel when you talk about productivity. Using Mint, Elementary or whichever GUI distribution you would like to use with the Linux kernel has completely different tradeoffs in terms of GUI, which implies different productivity levels. There is more. Even with t…

And Linux keeps failing because of companies like System76 which cannot seem to build, or partner with a company, to be this competition. Lenovo would crush Apple if it partnered with the Linux Community and made a cheap (in price!) everyday laptop for the consumer and focused on privacy and no lock in.

“Lenovo would crush Apple if it partnered with the Linux Community”

No it wouldn’t.

Users (the 99%) don’t care about privacy, tech, etc. They happily give their data up to TikTok (the CCP), Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple, etc. The Snowden revelations were met with a shrug or “I have nothing to hide”. This is well beyond established at this point (these platforms have billions of users).

They also don’t care about lock in - they just want stuff that works and adds as much as it can to their lives in as little effort as possible. The Apple ecosystem is incredibly successful because it does this exceedingly well. They view lock in as a positive - “All my stuff just works together - here’s more money Apple”.

The average person cares as much and is as involved in all of this as I am in understanding how my light switch is related to the function and operation of a nuclear reactor. The amount of care, time, thought, and energy I put into that is the cumulative total of the three seconds I spend interacting with light switches everyday.

I’m not disparaging users. I use the nuclear reactor analogy because I don’t care, I don’t need to care, and I shouldn’t have to care. I, (like most people) have only so much bandwidth for time, energy, and passion. I leave worrying and caring about all of that up to everyone from the people who mine uranium to the electrician that wires up the switches.

On HN we're the uranium miners, nuclear physicists, power companies, linemen, and electricians. We're the few people who do know and care about any of this "tech stuff".

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by qwytw »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #483
incanus77 wrote: post #468

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I have an M1 mini and an M1 Pro 14”, both with 16GB. I upgraded both to Ventura 13.1 and have really had zero issues with a variety of hardware setups. The software _design_ however… yes, Apple is sliding. The new Settings is a mess. It’s so disorienting, even when I put aside the fact that I had used the old, NeXT-derived one for 20 years. You just can’t find anything without search, which adds steps. There is a rel…

The settings window in MacOS needed to evolve IMHO. Just like the old disgusting confusing Windows settings/profilers/doodads, it worked only for old Mac power users. When the young audience is coming from iOS, MacOS has to satisfy what they’re used to. And Apple needs to stay consistent to not become like Windows. As I age and switch constantly between OSes and devices for work, search has increasingly become my pri…

The old setting app was nowhere near the mess Windows settings apps are. And I'm not quite sure what's so complicated about the old settings for iOS users? It is way more non power users friendly than the old windows control panel and imho actually more simple and easier to use than iOS settings (where I find it impossible to find anything without search and search doesn't even work that great there..)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by guax »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #343
rsynnott wrote: post #188

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They do give some numbers vs M1s, but most people actually considering buying this will be coming from the Intel ones (no-one replaces their laptop every year) so it makes sense to labour those in the marketing material.

Traditionally Apple's marketing compared against the previous generation, not multiple generations old hardware. It seems tacky to me because the M2's competition isn't really 2019 Intel MBPs- it's laptops using modern Intel/AMD CPUs (the M2 may still be better than those, but if that's the case those are the benchmarks they should be giving us)

They did. 20% improvement in cpu and 30% ish in GPU.
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