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As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pedrolucasp »

Calvin02 wrote: post #223
madeofpalk wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-US, non-Chinese citizen, is there something that makes TikTok espionage and Facebook not? Or is it just "china scary"?

Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

>threats to the world

Essentially threats to folks up north. Down here (in Latin America) and other places such as the entirely of Asian and African countries, US has been a threat since it exists.

US is still moving it's pieces here in Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador. Not to mention espionage on half of the world (thanks WikiLeaks)

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by caeril »

Calvin02 wrote: post #223
madeofpalk wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-US, non-Chinese citizen, is there something that makes TikTok espionage and Facebook not? Or is it just "china scary"?

Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

As a US citizen, I'd rather a foreign power with no jurisdiction here gobble up my data than the local jackboots with a rubberstamp judge who can execute a no-knock raid on my home whenever they feel like, predicated on dubious suspicion elicited by whatever precrime data-mining operation they're running.

China isn't going to shoot my dog at 4am and throw me in a concrete box.

And if I were a Chinese or Russian citizen, I'd be far more wary of domestic apps than US apps for precisely the same reason. Not playing favorites here, it's just a jurisdictional arbitrage question in a world dominated by tyranny.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by illiac786 »

trasz wrote: post #542
illiac786 wrote: post #172

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Huh, a single guy having all the power and changing the fundamental rules of the game (aka constitution or however it's called in China)? Not a red flag?

Except in China there is no “single guy” like this. China is “democratic” same way US is - they vote for something similar to electors.

You need to define what your quotes mean.

If it was democratic, disagreeing with the government wouldn't send you to jail. Try walking in Shanghai with a sign saying "the government is corrupt" and see how long you last.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by sebbu »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #559
andruby wrote: post #549

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That feels like a weak argument. OP is talking geopolitics, not domestic shenanigans. I think internationals news happily picks up Chinese international interventions.

The situation is like highlighting the British empire's horrible actions while downplaying Nazi Germany's because they haven't invaded anyone (yet) and not knowing what Hitler and his friends have in store because of the language barrier. And that's not a Godwin because the CCP's rhetoric these recent years is extremely racist and aggressive. They are feeding their population with a warped view of non-Han, non-Chines…

CCP has always been extremely racist and aggressive, at least according to all the web novels i've been reading (translated into english, as i don't speak chinese).

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by isitmadeofglass »

Calvin02 wrote: post #223
madeofpalk wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-US, non-Chinese citizen, is there something that makes TikTok espionage and Facebook not? Or is it just "china scary"?

Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

> Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world.

If you bring together three people from USA, Russia, China then none of them will have trouble naming the two biggest threats. None of them will agree, but they’ll all name 2 of the same 3 anyone from anywhere in the rest of the world would name.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by _-david-_ »

drno123 wrote: post #553
_-david-_ wrote: post #334

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Could you remind me which country took over Hong Kong and which country is trying to take land from India?

According to an agreement between UK and China, Hong Kong was transferred back to China.

The agreement in 1997 was for 50 years of autonomy. Unless I am missing something it is not 2047.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by garmanarnar »

LunaSea wrote: post #596
lmz wrote: post #532

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HK was returned, freed from colonial rule, not invaded.

> HK was returned, freed from colonial rule, not invaded. I'm sure that Hong Kongers see it that way ahahaha.

The UK treated Hong Kongers as second class citizens. They censored newspapers and history books, only allowing those which agreed with imperialist Britain.

They then suppressed any autonomy in Hong Kong for decades, installing a ruthless puppet government.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by LunaSea »

garmanarnar wrote: post #598
LunaSea wrote: post #596

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> HK was returned, freed from colonial rule, not invaded. I'm sure that Hong Kongers see it that way ahahaha.

The UK treated Hong Kongers as second class citizens. They censored newspapers and history books, only allowing those which agreed with imperialist Britain. They then suppressed any autonomy in Hong Kong for decades, installing a ruthless puppet government.

Whereas China opened up the country by letting Hong Kong citizens vote and thus auto-determine their future in a democratic way?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by garmanarnar »

LunaSea wrote: post #599
garmanarnar wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK treated Hong Kongers as second class citizens. They censored newspapers and history books, only allowing those which agreed with imperialist Britain. They then suppressed any autonomy in Hong Kong for decades, installing a ruthless puppet government.

Whereas China opened up the country by letting Hong Kong citizens vote and thus auto-determine their future in a democratic way?

No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that.
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