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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by lostlogin »

staunch wrote: post #587
jacobsenscott wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple. The simple fact is that apple has done more than any other company in the history of computing to quash the freedom to control your own computing devices. It is impossible to fight apple in the way we fought microsoft years ago - by building out a good opensource ecosystem. The entire reason for the app store is to stop…

HN's great flaw is that it has been allowed to be overrun by huge numbers of people from large organizations. There are tens of thousands of people from FAANG/YC acting as self-interested agents of their organizations without any kind of disclosure or counter-measures. These are, in effect, massive voting rings and propaganda efforts which are supposedly not allowed on HN. It's obvious how this results in the total d…

The top comment is violently decrying Apple. I’m sure what you say happens does, but not to the extent that it completely changes the conversation. It’s always worth checking back as early negative or positive feedback doesn’t always remain.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by calimac »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

Why not sign this with your username

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by lostlogin »

throwaway6000 wrote: post #549
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

1. Apple establishes rules that EVERY app publisher follows for YEARS. 2. Fortnite doesn't follow rule. 3. Apple kicks Fortnite out of the App store. What were they expecting?

An exemption like the other big players got. The carefully crafted rules are re-written for the powerful.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by blunderkid »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

fuck yeah brother.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ben-schaaf »

throwaway6000 wrote: post #554
jhardy54 wrote: post #551

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They were expecting to get kicked out of the app store so that they could file a lawsuit and challenge the app store monopoly. How is that unclear?

app store "monopoly"? No one's forcing you to use the Apple ecosystem. it's called Android.

Where you're pretty much stuck google play store, which has also banned the app...

There is side-loading, but there's a lot of friction there that I wouldn't expect normal users to withstand.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by noahth »

staunch wrote: post #587
jacobsenscott wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple. The simple fact is that apple has done more than any other company in the history of computing to quash the freedom to control your own computing devices. It is impossible to fight apple in the way we fought microsoft years ago - by building out a good opensource ecosystem. The entire reason for the app store is to stop…

HN's great flaw is that it has been allowed to be overrun by huge numbers of people from large organizations. There are tens of thousands of people from FAANG/YC acting as self-interested agents of their organizations without any kind of disclosure or counter-measures. These are, in effect, massive voting rings and propaganda efforts which are supposedly not allowed on HN. It's obvious how this results in the total d…

Many have tried. There's a simple reason that you glance at but don't directly confront in your post. The "voting rings" you outline are actually a huge constituency, thanks to the outlandish concentration of wealth and resources in the hands of these few companies (I mean FAANG - YC has a huge and unique network but I don't suspsect it's anywhere close to the same scale in dollars or current employees). No site can keep out so many skilled and knowledgeable techies and expect to keep up the level of quality that HN provides. This is one of those cases where culture flows pretty clearly from material reality - you can't have a better site until the titans are dethroned and dismembered. So, if you want a better HN, don't build an HN clone! Build political power that will target monopolies, monopsonies, and anything "too big to fail" for levelling and redistribution.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by camhart »

whateveracct wrote: post #565
jhardy54 wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were expecting to get kicked out of the app store so that they could file a lawsuit and challenge the app store monopoly. How is that unclear?

Gonna sue Nintendo if they don't let your game in the eshop?

I understand this question, but I believe an eshop is different from a major platform used by hundreds of millions of people on a daily basis to run their lives.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by dj_mc_merlin »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

Preach.
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