German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

Post by Animats » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

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If the messages delivered through marketing channels are different to the ones delivered with a physical product, then that is a problem. Visit https://www.tesla.com/autopilot and see for yourself how the message changes within a single page. Yes: "All new Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features today..." No: "...and full self-driving capabilities in the future—through…

> Yes: "All new Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features today..." > No: "...and full self-driving capabilities in the future—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time." "Autopilot" is not the same thing as full self-driving. What don't you understand? Those statements make perfect sense. > Yes: "All you will need to do is get in and tell your…

Post by catalogia » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:01 PM UTC

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> In any case the fault is most certainly not merely marketing, it's a fundamental design flaw. I was actually referring to the ruling. The court did not take issue with the autopilot system, just with the way it's marketed. For the rest of your comment I agree and I implied something along the same lines. Tesla should have built a system that works to compensate for human failings, not take advantage of them to sell…

> public transport vehicles where lights sync to the vehicle This is a common rumour, but is there anywhere which actually implements this?

Post by kerkeslager » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:22 PM UTC

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I don't think that anyone is arguing that Musk hasn't done big things. The problem is, he's about 50/50 on how often the big things he does are actually good . This is completely ignored by his fanboys, who ignore the bad, and laud the good to an extent that's entirely untethered from reality. Take your post for example: You soften the word "lied" to "overpromised" and then slowly build to more and more absurd lavish…

Yes they are.

Post by camjohnson26 » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:37 PM UTC

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Because they can’t sell the car for what it cost to produce. FSD has added ~$3,000 of essentially pure profit

Nope, that's not profit. That's positive cash-flow. They are investing heavily into developing FSD. I'm doubtful whether that racket will pay off. I guess they will have to pay more and more back to disillusioned buyers. It certainly hasn't turned into profit yet and rather looks like a massive risk.

Post by bdamm » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:44 PM UTC

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Have you driven a Model 3? It's like night and day. Everything that burns gasoline feels like a dinosaur to me now after driving a Model 3. I can't stand renting cars, they are all complete junk compared to my Model 3 at home. I said this to a Hertz in Denver, they gave me their best Jaguar. It stinks, it is slow, it is pathetic. It's basically game over for ICE, and they know it. They have 10-15 years maybe but at t…

Replying here because your other comment hit the depth limit. For decades ICE cars have been designed to drop off the mounts and go under the cabin while absorbing energy in a frontal crass. There's not some dramatically higher risk of the engine crushing your legs vs a BEV. There are many reasons to prefer the BEV, but please don't spread FUD.