U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days • Hacker News Board

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:47 AM UTC

martinpw wrote: post #507

dcolkitt wrote: post #114

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On the other hand, Americans have much larger and more comfortable homes than Europeans. Americans have big garages to stockpile supplies, which means less trips to the store. Very few people use public transportation regularly. Most people have private back yards. Many more meals are take-out or drive-thru. More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. In Europe by contrast, much more of life revolves a…

> More Americans use e-commerce for shopping than Europeans. Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find a great single source but this says 9% of retail sales were ecommerce in Europe in 2018: https://ecommercenews.eu/ecommerce-in-europe/ and this says 8% in the US in 2018: https://www.invespcro.com/blog/global-online-retail-spending... If you treat North and South Europe separately, it looks like Northern Europe…

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Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by chrisco255 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:51 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #495

chrisco255 wrote: post #338

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Exactly. And blanket policies are almost always terrible. Local communities have different constraints and different environments. There's no reason to believe that Fargo, North Dakota should have to respond to this in the same way that New York City does.

A virus spreads just as easily in a crowded room in Fargo as it does in NYC. China, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong King all slowed the curve, and have rules governing their whole country.

Singapore and Taiwan are basically cities, very dense. China is a Communist country with all kinds of totalitarian policies. South Korean cases are still climbing at more than 100 a day. You can't tell precisely what the growth curve has been because there's going to be a higher bias when they ramp up testing in many countries.

At any rate, no, a town that has 50 people per square mile should not be forced to respond in the same way as some city with 50,000 people per square mile. In the meantime, the people of Fargo have all the relevant information and their local officials can make calls as needed to suit their demands.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by verst » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:52 AM UTC

BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

It also does not apply to Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs) AKA Greencard Holders

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by gwicks56 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:53 AM UTC

gwright wrote: post #555

astronautjones wrote: post #481

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you could start with getting the president and his sycophants to stop claiming its a partisan hoax and that it's going to go away in a few days

The president didn't say that the virus is a partisan hoax. His actions clearly indicate he doesn't believe it is a hoax. The president did claim that some criticisms about his handling of the situation were a "new hoax" in the same way he has labeled previous unfounded criticism and accusations as hoaxes.

""When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

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Post by nostrademons » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:54 AM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #176

burlesona wrote: post #140

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Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.

Bay Area, I'm wfh, my wife is wfh, all our family and friends that work for major tech companies are wfh, 85-N had no traffic at 9:30 AM this morning, we pulled our kid out of gymnastics class 2 weeks ago, we haven't been going to museums (one of which is closed, because of coronavirus), and his day care (which nominally has 12 students) was down to 7 last Friday and now 3 of those are out because of hand-foot-mouth disease. Berkeley, Stanford, and Santa Clara University have all gone remote-only and sent the students home. Stores are completely out of rice, beans, toilet paper, hand sanitizer, etc, and a bunch of people are wearing masks. I figure it's just a matter of time before we're on complete lock-down.

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by verst » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:54 AM UTC

An executive order is not in effect until published in the federal register. Whatever is published there is what actually matters.

As of now this executive order has not been published.

You can check here: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions%...

Re: U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by anigbrowl » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:57 AM UTC

cylinder wrote: post #544

jackson1way wrote: post #476

Just de-boarded and re-boarded an aircraft going to Europe from NY because of this „small“ missing „detail“ in the initial announcement. 4h delay and the people who de-boarded the plane initially, are not re-boarding because they probably left the airport by now, not knowing they had wrong information. Ouch.

It's so dumb, immediate family members not applicable -- so check-in agents are now going to be in the business of examining birth certificates?

Imagine trying to perform TSA test procedures for terrorist activity (millions of people still removing their shoes in airports every day because one guy tried and failed to blow up his own shoes in 2001 WTF), while also trying not to spread COVID-19. Perhaps instead of pat downs they'll do interpretive dances.

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Post by balls187 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 5:58 AM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #176

burlesona wrote: post #140

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Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington Such as?? I'm living California, outside a major city. I don't see anything.

Schools in several major districts are shutdown for at least 14-days.

This now includes Bellevue School District (Bellevue WA).

King (Ground Zero, US), Pierce and Snohomish Counties all have a ban on any event with 250 or more people (this was declared by WA State's governor)

City council meetings are being conducted remotely.

University of Washington has moved all their classes online for the remainder of the semester.

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Post by kitteh » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 6:00 AM UTC

_-___________-_ wrote: post #545

sjg007 wrote: post #458

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Doesn’t matter if there’s no flights or boats.

There may well be flights. Crew are exempt, so at least for slot-controlled airports it's probably worth flying anyway to keep the slot; you'll have some US citizens / permanent residents and their families, and you can fill the belly with cargo since you have spare weight. Might be worth it even for airports that aren't slot-controlled.

Various aviation authorities in Europe are relaxing the requirements that is driving the slot controls & ghost flights. Don't have the link now but read it earlier.

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Post by gwicks56 » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 6:01 AM UTC

jki275 wrote: post #500

astronautjones wrote: post #493

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> You're pretending we will take no measures to control this at all. That's simply not the case. the US gov't has spent the last 1.5 months doing nothing to contain this at all. ending flights from europe isn't going to do anything to help if they aren't testing people and preventing spread inside the country

It hasn't existed in the US for the last 1.5 months. We are testing people, and we are doing quite a bit to prevent spread inside of the country and out.

first case was Jan 21st apparently[1]

[1]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/