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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

falkenstein wrote: post #380
ifwinterco wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

america is a continent. let’s take back our vocabulary (fellow european here). the little orange man shows very well what i mean when he started giving names to the gulf of mexico.

"In English, North America is its own continent as is South America. The two can be collectively labeled the Americas or the Western hemisphere. Canadians frequently refer to themselves as North Americans and never as Americans. To insist this change is to demand the entire world’s lingua franca redefine words and thereby cause mass confusion for its speakers simply because doing so would be consistent with an arbitrary definition found in a foreign language."

https://scrupulouspessimism.substack.com/p/america-means-the...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by sergiopreira »

DeepSeek is commoditizing frontier capability... Opus 4.6-level benchmarks at a fraction of the cost changes also who can access these tools.

Stuff that was prohibitive six months ago is now up for grabs. We keep on working on the infra level now, swithcing models whenever we run out of credits, or want a different result. The question is how do we build context, architecture and ensure the agent is effective and efficient..... wouldn't it be good if we simply used less energy to make these AI calls?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #490
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

> Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. So does this mean I can run this on AMD? And on a consumer 9000 series card?

If you don't have the source code then it makes no difference. If you have the weights and are running some model via llama.cpp, then you are using whatever API llama.cpp is using, not the API that was used to train the model or that anyone else may be using to serve it.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by jyscao »

dizhn wrote: post #540

I like deepseek. It works very well. I haven't tried v4 yet but on their web chat interface, just typing "Taiwan" causes it to give you a lecture about how Taiwan is part of China. :)

What a gotcha

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by resonancel »

casey2 wrote: post #468
elefanten wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability. This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hooveri…

Thousands of years with no invasions, hundreds of years with thousands of invasions. China is a nation built for peace, while western nations are built for war.

I believe China only got this huge because all its neighours couldn't help joining the peaceful middle realm \s

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by muyuu »

murkt wrote: post #143
simonw wrote: post #63

I like the pelican I got out of deepseek-v4-flash more than the one I got from deepseek-v4-pro. https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/24/deepseek-v4/ Both generated using OpenRouter. For comparison, here's what I got from DeepSeek 3.2 back in December: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/1/deepseek-v32/ And DeepSeek 3.1 in August: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Aug/22/deepseek-31/ And DeepSeek v3-0324 in March last year:…

DeepSeek pelicans are the angriest pelicans I’ve seen so far.

They're stressed pelicans from Hangzhou.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by rib3ye »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

The U.S. is not the country conducting amoral behavior with terrorist regimes for oil, that’s China.

We conduct amoral behavior with terrorist regimes for dollars.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #332
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I don't see the issue. China hosts the alternatives or the only game in town for lots of technologies. China has every interest and right to create products. Not everything that comes out of China is some devious plan to do terrible things. It's people trying to make money just like you and me.

I am not washing away the authoritarianism, but take a look at other economic super powers directionality. Or that of tech ceos as well. At least Chinese tech companies aren't going around praising wwii Germany, writing manifestos, and bombing children at school or fisherman on whims. It is difficult not to see more countries regardless of leadership putting their hat in the ring as a net positive. Especially if it increases sustainability and lowers the price, which this very clearly does. It's even open source...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by resonancel »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #213
elefanten wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability. This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hooveri…

And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?

Come back when Americans are routinely jailed for rubbing their elites the wrong way (in some countries, criticisms aren't the only way to rub the leaders the wrong way)

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by muyuu »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #481

somehow i canot open the link. but in their chinese version's release article, in the end ,there is a quote from xunzi( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xunzi_(philosopher) ) "Not seduced by praise, not terrified by slander; following the Way in one's conduct, and rectifying oneself with dignity." (不诱于誉，不恐于诽，率道而行，端然正己) (It is mainly used to express the way a Confucian gentleman conducts himself in the world. It reminds…

Sounds a lot like taoism, but i guess there's overlap
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