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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by bob1029 »

cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

I don't actually see what's stopping European firms from figuring this out in terms of hardware infrastructure.

Buildings full of computers aren't that difficult a problem to solve compared to things like semiconductor manufacturing or energy.

Perhaps the issue is more on the software and architecture side. Getting sucked into weird cloud products that don't translate clean to other premises is perhaps the more difficult aspect of this for larger firms. I've made a very strong point to only use EC2, Route53, S3 and Azure AD. Moving between environments is a lot easier when you stick with the VM as the unit of deployment. Getting out of something like a MSSQL hyper scale instance is simply not possible without switching to a different SQL provider or accepting new operational risks.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by dethos »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

> I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer.

You don't need all of that. You can go a long way with the basics, and those are well covered.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by locknitpicker »

FpUser wrote: post #504
dmix wrote: post #303

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> we have noticed power dynamics which weren't well guarded against in the old way The clearest example is a dependency on a single wealthy nation for military and world policing. It's a good thing for individual countries to be able to project their own foreign policy goals like containing Russia without having to rely on the whims of another country's politics. Even here in Canada we should be able to defend their…

>"like containing Russia" I think at the moment Canada faces way bigger problems from the south.

> I think at the moment Canada faces way bigger problems from the south.

Exactly. Not only there's the absurd campaign from the Trump administration on how Canada should be a state but there are also the recent treasonous talks between representatives from the Trump administration and the Alberta separatists.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eby-alberta-separatism-9.70...

Putin's regime might be a cancer of humanity, but Canadians have far more reasons to feel threatened by the Trump admin than from Putin, even if Trump is a proxy for Putin.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by [deleted] »

paradox460 wrote: post #550
kioku wrote: post #43

> This isn't just compliance theater; it's a straight‑up national economic security play. The woes of LLM contrasts… In all seriousness, the points made ring true not only for European companies and should make everyone consider the implications of the current situation, as dreary as they are.

It's not just big, it's large

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mihaaly »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

> it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering

Jesus Crist and all the saints!

How bad it was before getting in par with MS then?!

If it is now as bad as MS?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by woodson »

krzyk wrote: post #579
tosapple wrote: post #432

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While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM. There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.

…who lives in Oregon, in the US.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by wiether »

smarx007 wrote: post #160
bambax wrote: post #54

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We already have excellent cloud providers in Europe. But most importantly, most businesses using the cloud would be better off with simple on-prem solutions. So much cheaper to operate and control.

Most European "cloud" providers sell "wood": https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/dear-hosting-providers-you...

Thanks for the link!

I'm not sure it will convince the "haters" nor they'll get it, but I'll keep it close to share with some people that are confused but open enough to understand the nuance.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by patall »

bjackman wrote: post #302
armcat wrote: post #215

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there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer That's true right now, yes. But things are changing rapidly, e.g. there is evroc [1], Mimer [2] and others are popping up too. it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering I know, and I'm not saying that EU will do any different, but this is not necessarily an absolute gold-standard be…

Getting Google Docs to be a Word alternative was an order of magnitude easier than getting GCP to be an AWS competitor. Now that AWS has two serious competitors (and some non serious ones), privately funding another one just seems impossible to me. Who is gonna chip in tens of billions of dollars to fund "that, but European, and 15 years from now"? I think the only ways we can get serious Euroclouds is some combinati…

> Who is gonna chip in tens of billions of dollars to fund "that, but European, and 15 years from now"?

Dieter Schwarz might. At least he has the money and is trying 'something' with stackit. But he probably won't see the result in 15 years.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by solatic »

martijnvds wrote: post #510
FpUser wrote: post #506

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>"nationalized and forced to keep operating." Assuming there is no some kill switch which would render a whole infra including hardware inoperable.

It's called us-east-1?

AWS China is a completely separate partition under separate Chinese management, with no dependencies on us-east-1. It also greatly lags in feature deployments as a result.
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