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FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by lux-lux-lux »

knubie wrote: post #538
8note wrote: post #379

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> because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. i think people know exactly what theyre up against: a lawless executive, many members of which have never had to work in places where they are held accountable to the constitution before. its more important for the government to follow the constitution than for citizens to follow the law. if the government isnt follow…

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It feels very strange to read someone describe these events as ‘LARPing as martyrs’ when there have been multiple tragic deaths.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by eleventyseven »

themafia wrote: post #570
BurningFrog wrote: post #547

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Seems like there are hundreds of people in those groups. Can't be hard to get into for some skilled undercover cops. TV shows have shown me they do these things all the time!

It would help if they stopped holding demonstrations in front of facilities with huge amounts of facial recognition technology. Protesting is not something you should do "casually."

Protesting is a fundamental human right and obligation. It is something that you should do as casually as you would voting, volunteering, and taking out the garbage: something you do from time to time when the moment demands it.

See also: https://enwp.org/Chilling_effect

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by platevoltage »

knubie wrote: post #538
8note wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. i think people know exactly what theyre up against: a lawless executive, many members of which have never had to work in places where they are held accountable to the constitution before. its more important for the government to follow the constitution than for citizens to follow the law. if the government isnt follow…

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Boot leather can't taste this good.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by iamnothere »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #468
iamnothere wrote: post #31

I have seen anti-Signal FUD all over the place since it was discovered that protesters have been coordinating on Signal. Here’s the facts: - Protesters have been coordinating using Signal - Breaches of private Signal groups by journalists and counter protesters were due to poor opsec and vetting - If the feds have an eye into those groups, it’s likely that they gained access in the same way as well as through informa…

Also the current US government think it’s secure enough for their war planning!

They actually used a hackish third party client (interesting since Signal forbids those) which stores message logs centrally, assuming it’s for required USG record keeping. Turns out that it’s possible to invite unwanted guests into your chat whether you’re a protestor or a government official. (It also appears that government contractors still write shitty software.)

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Post by platevoltage »

CMay wrote: post #397
flumpcakes wrote: post #383

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An American VA Hospital ICU Nurse was disarmed and executed. Which crime is it OK to be chemically and physically assaulted before being disarmed and shot dead?

As far as I understand it, he laid hands on the officer, then struggled against arrest. He had a gun on him, which is not in itself a problem, but he had already broken the law 3 times by this point and the fact he had a gun on him instantly escalates the potential threat. They don't know if he has multiple guns on him or just the one. Supposedly one of the videos shows him reaching for some black object. I don't kno…

He was killed for carrying a gun. How do I know that? Thats what they've been saying over and over again. Absolutely gross.

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Post by epistasis »

refurb wrote: post #580
donkeybeer wrote: post #297

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That's straight up corrupt third world country stuff.

How is it corrupt? The DA chose to resign , they weren't forced out.

They were prevented from following just policy, and were being forced to perform actions that go against professional ethics, politically driven prosecutions unconnected from fact or law.

People resigned to send the message to the public: the integrity of the office had been compromised, and the lawyers (lawyers!!) couldn't stay due to their ethics. This is a difficult thing to understand for people that lack ethics.

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Post by refurb »

nkohari wrote: post #167
mycodendral wrote: post #108

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18 U.S.C. § 372 — Conspiracy to impede or injure officer If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place where his du…

> by force, intimidation, or threat You seem to be glossing over the key piece of that statute. Peaceful protest is protected by the first amendment (free speech, right to assembly).

Blocking law enforcement's vehicles and their person (I saw several protestors put hands on officers), when they are conducting arrests, certainly seems to fit the bill.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by lynndotpy »

mw888 wrote: post #523

There seems to be wild speculation about freedom of speech rights or hacking Signal. The FBI simply joined groupchats and read them. This is trivial stuff.

More specifically, right-wing agitators joined the chats and posted screenshots online.

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Post by Perceval »

themafia wrote: post #570
BurningFrog wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like there are hundreds of people in those groups. Can't be hard to get into for some skilled undercover cops. TV shows have shown me they do these things all the time!

It would help if they stopped holding demonstrations in front of facilities with huge amounts of facial recognition technology. Protesting is not something you should do "casually."

Protesting is absolutely something you can and should be able to do casually and without having to protect your face/identity. It was enshrined in the First Amendment as a fundamental check on the federal government in order to recognize the natural right of a self-governing people to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances.

What is not something that should be gone casually – or really at all – is an attempt to engage in insurrection with black bloc or globalized intifada insurgency tactics to prevent the enforcement of law.

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Post by platevoltage »

asdfman123 wrote: post #292
hollandheese wrote: post #249

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The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Software engineers are definitely among the class of people protected by the police

I'll be sure to bring my mechanical keyboard and secondary vertical monitor out in public so they'll know I'm one of the good ones.
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