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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

B1FIDO wrote: post #554
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The man was a Veterans Administration ICU nurse who cared for sick veterans that was helping a woman that ICE pushed to the ground and then used chemical weapons on. There are quite a few doctors giving testimonials to this man's character at the VA. The right will tell you that an awful/chaotic world is one where a male ICU nurses helps a woman pushed to the ground and sprayed in the face with less lethal weapons by…

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Yeah, you are missing a lot of somethings.

Alex Pretti was a good man, who cared about our nation's veterans, who was murdered for defending a woman while exercising his lawful rights as an American (the Second Amendment and First Amendment). I didn't want to leave your statement slandering the murdered man un-contested as to the situation.

Alex was doing what we are taught being an American means, and he was killed by masked government thugs because of it. And bootlickers now justify murdering people because they dared exercise their first and second amendment rights and challenged masked government agents. Bootlickers that want us to live in fear of our own government. We have the right to exercise our Constitutional rights free of risk from our own government's masked thugs.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dogmatism »

rchaud wrote: post #532
hdgvhicv wrote: post #424

You know how the second amendment is about protecting Americans from tyrannical governments, and how a few dozen schools being shot ip each year is a small price to pay? Funny how it doesn’t work in reality.

2A is a historical relic of the settler colonial era when communities had to create their own security forces. It's strongest proponents today are those who want to create their own laws and have private militias to enforce it, in obvious contravention of state and federal laws which are decided through a democratic process with checks and balances (elections, legislatures and independent judiciaries). The present fe…

Even more of a relic: those militias weren't just bands of yeoman farmers. They were veterans of the recent French-and-Indian war. Often who had served with the commanders of the British forces arrayed against them. George Howe brother of William who ultimately became CiC of British forces in America died in the arms of Israel Putnam, one of the continental army's first generals at the battle of Ticonderoga. They thought so highly of him, the Massachusetts assembly allocated funds for a memorial to Howe at Westminster. George Howe (unlike ICE, lol) often had a hard time bringing ultimate force to bear as he didn't really see the colonials as "enemy".

I'd submit it's a violation of the 2A to allow the Nat Guard (essentially the continuation of those militias) to be forcibly nationalized (it took quite a bit of negotiating to get them all to join the fledgling continental army)

Anyhoo, tl;dr, for sure, 2A is an anachronism

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by joquarky »

zahlman wrote: post #265
fzeroracer wrote: post #260

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> Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being u…

When everyone else is incorrect, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your understanding.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dogmatism »

defrost wrote: post #577
sleight42 wrote: post #570

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Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside. "The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so…

Benjamin Franklin literally stated it was "good enough for now" (where "now" == hundreds of years past) despite lacking sufficient checks and balances, and would need constant attendance and amending over time until the likes of the Federalists found themselves a Trump to white ant the US from the inside out. I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government nece…

also Ben Franklin: "A republic...if you can keep it"

(elipsis mine)

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by prime_ursid »

porknubbins wrote: post #152
praptak wrote: post #131

You can never tell the breaking point of fascism but this certainly looks like it. I'm happy I don't work for a US company because I no longer think it's ethical to do so.

Most people I know, including some on the right disagree with these tactics which seem designed more to intimidate and silence opposition. Of course you’re free to work with whomever you choose but it seems like a pretty empty virtue signal to avoid all companies in a huge, diverse country

If choosing your place of employment to align with your values is a “virtue signal,” then maybe we should all be signaling our virtues a lot more.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by prime_ursid »

lynndotpy wrote: post #13
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #3

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> this video will likely be glad just instantly Again. Anyway, the video shows that we've unequivocally entered open-air brownshirt executions. This person was pinned to the ground by three people while another was just wailing against their head from above. Hard to tell what object they're using as a cudgel to their face. Then the subsequent mag dumping just to be extra sure they're dead. We really need that lady in…

For anyone wondering why this is relevant to HackerNews: - There are tech companies and workers in companies outside California, - A government deploying a militarized police force to execute people in the streets is bad for the economy, - That government is the United States, and so this is bad for the world economy, - A lot of the people in our industry are immigrants from outside the United States, - If you're a H…

Another reason: individual liberty is and has been an important value in the tech community since the 1960s.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dogmatism »

yongjik wrote: post #193

At the rate things are going, I wonder if America can hold together until the midterm. The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. If anyone told me in 2024 that America may see its own Tiananmen, I'd have laughed, but I'm not so sure now. I can totally see something similar at a smaller scale, and millions of Americans defending it with "it was necessary to keep law and order."

>The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war.

it's not out of the question that incitement to invoke insurrection act and then cancel the midterms is the strategy

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dogmatism »

quickthrowman wrote: post #355
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #245

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They're acting like they'll never be out of power or face consequences.

Presidential pardon power is unlimited. One blanket pardon erases all accountability.

and SCOTUS has ruled presidents have immunity for any actions while in office

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by toxic72 »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #550
oenton wrote: post #545

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> Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting ? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting , everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)

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Because they have the right to
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