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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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> Another source ( https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-tackled-by-ice-in-chao... ) gives another claim from the same police chief: >> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." You've misread your link. The "violently resisted" quote is from a tweet by DHS, not local police: https://xcancel.com/DHSgov/status/2015115351…

Direct multiple-paragraph quote: > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) posted on X further details about what led up to the shooting. "DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here," the post reads. > O'Hara said that Pretti was…

The statement you say was O'Hara was made by McLaughlin (DHS employee). If the article implies otherwise, it's incorrect.

Here's the facts as I see them: A protestor who had a gun he was legally allowed to carry got involved in an incident with ICE/Border Patrol. The protestor was interacting with the agents and other protestors, at which point BP or ICE pepper sprayed him and took him down to the ground. At least 4 different federal officers were physically holding him. at this point it appears they disarmed him (unclear) and then shortly after, shot him.

At no point did the protestor hold the gun in a threatening way while approaching, when he was taken down he did not have a gun in his hands, and while down, it's very unlikely he could access the gun and use it in a way that any reasonable officer would feel unsafe and be required to shoot the protestor.

Based on the videos I've watched, the protestor made some ill-advised choices getting physically involved, but there was no reason for him to be shot. I read various online conservative communities (to try to understand their reasoning) and nearly all the posts I see seem to think that ICE/BP truly made an error here, possibly due to poor training.

I understand your point about the use of emotional terms, I try to avoid them and instead focus on facts and known unknowns, but in this particular situation, it's pretty clear that ICE/BP made an egregious error in a way that is clearly obvious to everybody (even those who would normally support the federal officers) and in denying this, the federal leadership is undermining itself. This is a situation where they could de-escalate and not immediately blame the protestor, while focusing on increasing the training of the ICE/BP officers, rather than taking an aggresive posture.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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ICE are not police officers, or even traditional law enforcement officers.

Please note, a question does not imply an opinion.

Could you provide a reference for them not being federal law enforcement officers (specifically immigration law)?

I've seen this mentioned several times, but can only find evidence that they are. For example Cornel Law [1]:

> The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

> CE’s primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration.

Even PBS is reporting them as such [2]:

> Federal law gives immigration agents the authority to arrest and detain people believed to have violated immigration law.

> "All law enforcement officers, including ICE, are bound by the Constitution," said Alexandra Lopez, managing partner of a Chicago-based law firm specializing in immigration cases.

And USC 1357 seems to make this indisputable [3], but IANAL.

All the sources I could find that say they aren't law enforcement are questionable, and aren't related to interpreting law.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enfo...

[2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/what-legal-rights-do-you...

[3] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1...

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.

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Thanks. I watched the videos. It's a horrific event. But I can't see that either of the videos shows a gun being removed from a protester. At the end of [2], someone does seem to walk away from the scene holding a gun, just a fraction of a second before the shooting begins. But I can't see any point at which a gun is removed from a protester.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Republicans and gun rights people do that all the time.

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From the multiple angles I've seen, Alex Pretti's was concealed until they lifted his shirt and removed it.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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> Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being u…

Although I normally avoid these videos I did sit through all the ones I could find, and I strongly recommend watching them.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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I suspect it won't matter to you, but there's clear footage now of officers having removed the gun from the suspect long before he was shot. He was pinned and prone when he was executed. Claiming this was "defensive" is just a lie.

I've watched four videos but haven't seen any footage (clear or otherwise) of gun removal. Can you post a link to clear footage of the removal? One video [1] shows someone walking away from the scene with a gun a fraction of a second before the shooting begins. But I can't see that the gun was removed from the protester. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...

https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/2015144869497311275

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.

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Not to mention the biggest supporters of this are the SV techbros

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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From a semi-corrupt country, ie being somewhere between Africa and the developed world, I can only suggest to fellow USians courage and patience three more years. Times will come good again. A corrupt leader is very difficult to change and things seem grim because he has captured all three forms of power.

A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader.

America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse.

The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Some naive people here, still think the HN page listing is based on points and comments...

You are downvoting what is the evidence in front of your eyes. Downvoting the observation does not change the ranking anomaly. If you want trust, you can’t run the front page like this.

You’re being downvoted by bots. HN is rigged and completely compromised. We all need start flagging any non-political content and refuse to discuss anything but ICE. Business cannot continue as normal.
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