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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bee_rider »

leptons wrote: post #431
JohnFen wrote: post #321

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> Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. They are very different companies in very different businesses. Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft is a software company. That affects everything (and is why the two are not fundamentally competitors). I don't think one has ever been better behaved than the other at all, though. The main difference is that for most of their time, Microsoft was just in a positio…

Apple does plenty of harm every day when they force Safari as the only web browser engine allowed on iOS.

Right? They are really limiting Google’s development of their platform, the internet, by making some websites pander to a non-Chrome browser engine.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by CharlieDigital »

pyuser583 wrote: post #476
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

How is Rider v. VS? This is the sort of question I don't trust AI with yet.

VS - great if you are Windows only shop for dev and want all the bells and whistles

Rider - has all of the the nice things JetBrains does and the best option on Mac if you need advanced refactoring; UI feels a bit cluttered at time (though they improved this).

VSC - for whatever reason, I always end up back to VSC for .NET for backends. Good enough, fast, and lightweight enough. Plays nicely with Node and full-stack monorepos.

I would commit to VSC and try to make it work. If you find you need advanced refactoring support, then try out Rider.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by thiht »

rahkiin wrote: post #484
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

VsCode is in a weird licensing limbo, or some of its microsoft plugins are anyway

No, it’s pretty clear. Some extensions are NOT open source. It’s not ambiguous, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as these extensions don’t have superpowers (ie. access to unexposed VSCode APIs)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by yencabulator »

thiht wrote: post #580
yencabulator wrote: post #496

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> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

These are extensions. No one is preventing OSS communities from developing their own remote dev, Python, and C++ extensions. The VSCode extension API allows it. There are actually some efforts being made to do it.

You're moving the goalposts! I am responding to

> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by 827a »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #556
827a wrote: post #517

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I explicitly said "big tech companies"; that's FAANG, which does not include OpenAI, Anthropic, Anysphere, or their kin.

with a $500B valuation, I'd say that OpenAI is now "BigTech"

Not by any traditionally-recognized definition, but I'll certainly admit them into the club once they go public.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by sdenton4 »

thiht wrote: post #580
yencabulator wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

These are extensions. No one is preventing OSS communities from developing their own remote dev, Python, and C++ extensions. The VSCode extension API allows it. There are actually some efforts being made to do it.

Ah, but coming hot on their heels are the embracions and extingushions!

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ozim »

yread wrote: post #203
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Why do people need to create anthropomorphising narratives around companies? Don't be any company's cheerleader, use the stuff that's best for you (and the environment)

I built my career on MSFT stack I am going to be their cheerleader, don't want them to go down or stagnate as I would have to switch stack.

I don't understand people who are just consumers and have no actual business to root for MSFT or AAPL or any other company.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hdgvhicv »

scarface_74 wrote: post #543
jrepinc wrote: post #414

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And today they are even complicit in genocide and avid supporters of fascist USA dictator Trump, can hardly get less cool then that

As is half the US who voted for him…

And every large company, whether they want to or not, because if they don’t bend the knee…

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by kokanee »

rustystump wrote: post #461
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind the scenes, presenting to consumers a tiny little sliver of this massive digital beast lurking under the hood. They're always 15 years ahead of policy, so they get away with theft, copyright infringement, monopoly, and more, on a scale that I don't think we even fully understand.

My ranking from most evil to least would be:

1. Google

2. Meta

3. Microsoft

4. Amazon

5. Apple

6. Netflix

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pornel »

827a wrote: post #282
bongodongobob wrote: post #189

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> None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Oh my God, tell me about it. Our C levels are being fed bullshit by all of our vendors about how AI is going to transform their business. Every few weeks I have to ask "what the fuck does that mean exactly?" "Oh, well, agentic AI and workflows blah blah."…

I think there's a lot of really interesting (and profitable) AI products out there. And: there's so many more that can be built. We're only scratching the surface of what the industry has already invented can do. Not in an "AGI Inevitable" capacity; what we have, today, with more context engineering, better user interfaces, better products with deeper AI-first thinking, etc. My point was more-so that FAANG isn't even…

There's a lot of "promising" and "interesting" stuff, but I'm not seeing anything yet that actually works reliably.

Sooner or later (mostly sooner) it becomes apparent that it's all just a chatbot hastily slapped on top of an existing API, and the integration barely works.

A tech demo shows your AI coding agent can write a whole web app in one prompt. In reality, a file with 7 tab characters in a row completely breaks it.

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