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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by nullify88 »

briandw wrote: post #198

The Apple of old had a deep respect for their users. We paid for a product that tried its best to sweat the details and deliver the best experience possible. UX was king. Apple made hard choices and delivered minimal, thoughtful and delightful products. The motto was "less but better". Today we have an Apple that keeps pushing new poorly thought out features. More and more they don't respect the user. Constant interr…

> The Apple of old had a deep respect for their users

The same Apple that tried to convince everyone they were holding their phones incorrectly resulting in Antennagate?

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Post by MrDresden »

"Like, what if you recently bought tickets to see another summer blockbuster movie? Using Apple Wallet? And then you got this ad? It’d be completely sensible to be spooked by that, and conclude that Apple Wallet is tracking you."

I am not in anyway agreeing with the tracking of people's activities and purchases, but if you use either of the main payment processor networks (VISA or MasterCard) then your purchase history is being tracked and sold to third parties.

Any choice of wallet app, or ecosystem (ie iOS or Android) will not make any difference.

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Post by mrweasel »

rglullis wrote: post #329
mrweasel wrote: post #199

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Graphene, Calyx, /e/OS... they work and you can install apps from the Play Store, the feedback I got is just that the few apps I need that can't be replaced keeps breaking. It's just more of a hassle than I'm willing to endure. But you right, it is an option.

Do you must have banking apps in your phone? And even if you do, do you need them so often that the apps must be installed in your daily driver?

No, actually I don't because my banks app is awful, but my mobile payment app isn't any good if it's not on my phone.

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Post by agurk »

lxgr wrote: post #456
discostrings wrote: post #197

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Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

So does "Too Good To Go". Missed a pickup notification because I didn't remember having angrily turned off all notifications one day, since they don't have any more fine-grained option. I let their support know, but they don't care. I guess as long as it still brings in more additional sales than it costs in lost users, it works for them. This is something I like better on Android: As far as I remember, separate "not…

Curiously I have the opposite problem with Too Good To Go - they never give me notifications of available things I might be interested in, even though I've set that I want them.

This is on Android though, so perhaps an ecosystem difference?

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Post by JimDabell »

refulgentis wrote: post #476
autobodie wrote: post #417

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2023 > all previous years

That's not true, though! We can see the bar for 2021 is longer than 2023! We can see the table value for 2021 is > 2023! Screenshots, for sales, from 2nd link, i.e. what we are told to look to see 2021 https://imgur.com/a/CpGWbWM (although, my comment makes a hash of the whole thing and says 2021 is both than 2023. Sigh.) (n.b. not trying to be aggressive, or disagree, or make a statement about the overall premise th…

> but my $0.02 should be that "yeah stuff plateaued, or at least no more hypergrowth, post-2018"

Note that what was being claimed was that “Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting”. Whether iPhone sales are growing, bounced around a bit, or have plateaued is irrelevant. It’s pretty clear they are not plummeting.

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Post by lurking_swe »

kortilla wrote: post #481
lurking_swe wrote: post #479

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disagree. brainstorming should never be seen as a negative. trying to _promote_ and _act_ on shady ideas is the problem.

“What if we just charge a bunch of hidden recurring fees?” Some ideas are so bad they indicate that you aren’t aligned with the goals of the company

ok, i agree that an idea that’s actively malicious toward your customer should maybe be a fireable offense. That’s extreme but we can agree. :)

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Post by JimDabell »

rpdillon wrote: post #331
JimDabell wrote: post #156

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> they say that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and then the second you have an iCloud backup that's completely broken. It’s not completely broken. For average users, erring on the side of being able to restore from backup is the best choice. For people who need more security, that’s what Advanced Data Protection is for. You have the choice of which option suits you best; I think the default is appropriate for typi…

I sense that you're arguing in good faith, but your first argument is very strange. The purpose of end-to-end encryption is that the messages cannot be read even by Apple. This is a feature that they advertise in their webpage about iMessage security. All I'm saying is that a bunch of people believe that iMessage supports end-to-end encryption and at the same time know that their messages are encrypted by a key that…

- iMessage supporting E2E encryption is a good thing.

- The right choice for the average user is to prefer recoverable backups.

- Recoverable backups undermine E2E encryption.

- Apple provides Advanced Data Protection which disables a bunch of things like recoverable iCloud backups in favour of more secure measures.

Apple deciding that ADP is not appropriate for the average user does not mean that “their promises are purely marketing”. They implemented it. It’s real. You can switch ADP on at any time. It’s just not the default, for good reason.

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Post by somenameforme »

labster wrote: post #431
vinceguidry wrote: post #402

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The limiting factor to Chinese soft power development is its need to remain authoritarian. Folks will accept living under one if that's all they know. But if you didn't grow up with the brainwashing nobody will trust you and everything is transactional. You see Chinese attempts to exert political control over its diaspora and it never works as well as they would like. Where the West's soft power essentially comes fro…

I don’t know man, I would have believed this wholeheartedly ten years ago. But people are choosing true authoritarianism in droves. People just keep voting for Trump, Orban, Erdogan, and Le Pen. Trump is extremely transactional. All of which is great news for China, and a great victory for their ‘do nothing: win’ policy.

I don't think authoritarian is the right term for critiques here. Try to define it in a way that one can't simply turn it around and apply it to people you probably don't want it to be applied to. For instance the actions taken during COVID, and against people during COVID, could easily be framed as extremely authoritarian. But then, like now, claims of authoritarianism were more of a proxy for 'I don't like the actions of this government' with authoritarianism just a framing of convenience.

In general the trends of the past were largely a product of globalism, and globalism is dying. So I expect we'll enter more into a historical zones of influence global status quo. For instance anybody who doesn't think Chinese soft power is growing exponentially should visit basically anywhere in Asia now a days. A decade ago China had relatively minimal influence, now it's everywhere driven in large part by just absolutely massive numbers of Chinese tourists as well as expats. A rapidly expanding middle class in a country of 1.4 billion has an impact that's basically impossible to overstate.

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Post by pjmlp »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Those of us that have been long enough around, see this Apple like the one when Steve Jobs was busy at NeXT.

The only difference is that now they are decades away to ever worry about insolvency, yet the lack of direction and management entitlement as being the best, feels quite similar.

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Post by pjmlp »

hliyan wrote: post #217
somenameforme wrote: post #161

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Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Maturity/commoditization of technology (a good thing) can only be seen as problematic in a world where steady-state businesses with steady profits are seen as "stagnant", and only companies that delivers (or at least promises) perpetual growth are seen as successful. Apple has been wildly successful. There has to be a world in which such a company can benefit from a demand spike without betting its entire future on t…

That doesn't work when shareholders demand exponential growth year after year, with consequences, layoffs or whatever, when those numbers aren't met.
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