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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by alwa »

mvdtnz wrote: post #363
em500 wrote: post #129

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly…

I hope this impacts current or future lawsuits regarding anticompetitive app store practices. It's a clear example of the unfair playing field Apple runs.

Lord help us if “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander,” and the remedy (or the portent [0]) is throwing open the platform to everyone to advertise this way…

That element of “well it’s different when we do it” is what’s so unclassy here. And, like… so weirdly un-self-aware.

And all for a coupon for a garden-variety movie?! The movie doesn’t have anything to do with Apple, other than being made on their dime. What a strange purpose for which to piss away your perch above the fray.

At least save this intrusion for when you’re pushing a magical new self-driving Apple Car or something!

[0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/report-apple-is-expl...

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Post by heavyset_go »

somenameforme wrote: post #161
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Apple wants to be a services company that sells smartphones.

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Post by _benton »

croes wrote: post #389
_benton wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple wouldn't exist without "rampant unregulated capitalism".

Why not? I think Apple wouldn‘t exist without cheap labor in authoritarian countries but that‘s a prerequisite for capitalism

Because Apple under Steve Jobs worked because Steve had full control. Zero chance they become successful run by committee or group ownership or whatever. And they also needed venture capital in the beginning afaik.

I don't think Apple could have existed as it did under Jobs in any other system.

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Post by latexr »

bigyabai wrote: post #461
latexr wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's genuinely getting depressing watching HN try to justify Tim Cook's actions ad-hoc. Your comment is absurd. I criticise Tim Cook all the time. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Try to understand what people are saying without injecting your own preconceived notions and maybe you won’t get as depressed. Making a correction about a point is not the same as defending it.

I am not attacking your character. This is specifically aimed at HN's cognitive dissonance surrounding Apple doing anything possibly bad. It is pointless to shield Tim Cook from ancillary flak, the hypocrisy here is exactly why this topic is so important to discuss. The comments here confirm that, everyone is saying this isn't what they expected. It isn't orthogonal. > Making a correction about a point is not the sam…

> The comments here confirm that, everyone is saying this isn't what they expected.

No, no they are not. That is so simple to disprove.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44414508

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44411237

Again, you’re only seeing what you want to see. Your opinion on Apple isn’t special or rare, it’s shared by tons of people on HN.

> If you genuinely don't think their comment is relevant to your point, then there would be no reason to write a reply to it.

So someone misunderstands or mischaracterises your point, and in your mind you should never correct and clarify the misconception, because doing so is bad faith? I mean, you do that if you want to, but that’s not what astroturfing is.

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Post by danielschreber »

supportengineer wrote: post #288

My fantasy is they create an entirely new product line called something like “Chunky” or maybe “Thiccc”. The idea is that it would have plenty of user replaceable modules. Everything would be swappable. The battery, the memory, the drives. Of course, this would still be a premium product. It would have expansion modules for things nobody has thought of yet. It’s a new market with unlimited opportunities

Fairphone?

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Post by refulgentis »

autobodie wrote: post #417
refulgentis wrote: post #271

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This threads confusing so I'll jump in! Well, no, it shows: 2021 2022 2023 > 2021 2024 ??

2023 > all previous years

That's not true, though!

We can see the bar for 2021 is longer than 2023!

We can see the table value for 2021 is > 2023!

Screenshots, for sales, from 2nd link, i.e. what we are told to look to see 2021 https://imgur.com/a/CpGWbWM

(although, my comment makes a hash of the whole thing and says 2021 is both than 2023. Sigh.)

(n.b. not trying to be aggressive, or disagree, or make a statement about the overall premise that sales are declining. Just mildly amused by the confusion in the thread)

(my $0.02 would be that we're seeing the same general stasis that was presumed after the iPhone 6 release, but really, we just need more data (2021 was COVID stimmy high))

(but my $0.02 should be that "yeah stuff plateaued, or at least no more hypergrowth, post-2018" because this is what we were shown on the Pixel team at Google, and a little birdy told me that's how Apple thinks about it)

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Post by kortilla »

rchaud wrote: post #400
kccqzy wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as I see one violation, I turn off the notification permission altogether. For example the Amazon shopping app can't send me notifications.

Why not just use the mobile website then? An app icon is itself equivalent to having a billboard on your homescreen. What is the app providing besides notifications that necessitates its use?

Mobile websites are often either non existent or work far worse than the app.

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Post by rafaelmn »

seszett wrote: post #137
rafaelmn wrote: post #6

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What do you mean start monetizing ? I get adds for their Apple Arcade trial on top of my iOS settings main screen. I really hate Apple - but what's stopping me from moving out of the ecosystem is that nobody else builds shit that works and is on same level. The M Pro series processor is only touchable by that one AMD chip you can't get anywhere. Windows is garbage and Linux is a part time job. Android is even worse i…

I don't really understand, I don't get ads on my Android phone? And I'm not sure what you mean about ecosystems either, yes you do need a Google account to download apps from the Play store, but you also need an Apple account to use the Apple store as far as I know. In my experience it's easier to create a second Google account than a second Apple account. Now I'm not representative of most users, like all HN users p…

Android is preloaded with different flavor of crap depending on the vendor and side-loading a phone OS and dealing with everything - I just don't have the energy these days. Likewise for running Linux on top of a M series Apple device. My devices just work and they all work together - all I have to do is login to the same account. My phone shares stuff with my Mac without any setup - shared clipboard, apps, storage. Buds connect to all my devices, Mac Mini, MadBook, iPad - not just 2 BT devices at a time, and they switch seamlessly. Stuff that saves me time and just does what I want. And all of the devices are usually among the best in class individually.

Nobody outside of Apple even has that as a vision. Microsoft is so bad at building consumer products it's unbelievable. Google is struggling to build compiling phones with its own software - I doubt they can execute on other device types. Valve did a relatively small investment in this ecosystem and brought it forward light years in the gaming space.

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Post by lurking_swe »

inetknght wrote: post #403
dustbunny wrote: post #278

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I think the person who came up with this shouldn't be fired, the person who _approved_ it should be reprimanded. There's some intersection point between who "owns" the wallet and who is coming up with ways to generate marketing revenue. Whoever lives at that intersection point is the real shot caller here aren't they? Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas, that just creates a culture of not thinking outs…

> Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas, that just creates a culture of not thinking outside the box. No, you fire people for generating ideas that are shady and against your own policies.

disagree. brainstorming should never be seen as a negative. trying to _promote_ and _act_ on shady ideas is the problem.

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Post by kortilla »

dustbunny wrote: post #278
t8sr wrote: post #248

I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

I think the person who came up with this shouldn't be fired, the person who _approved_ it should be reprimanded. There's some intersection point between who "owns" the wallet and who is coming up with ways to generate marketing revenue. Whoever lives at that intersection point is the real shot caller here aren't they? Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas, that just creates a culture of not thinking outs…

You definitely fire people for pitching ideas that are against the ethos of the company. Otherwise you have no culture. It shouldn’t come down to one approver on the wallet side to see how dumb this was
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