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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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> How does a non Google owned Chrome support itself and continue development? Possibly by trying to find a business model that can support Chrome development just like all other Chromium (and non-Chromium) based browsers? As much as I loved Chrome when it first came out, I’ve also been well aware that Google’s backing of Chrome (and Chromium) has given it undue advantages in the browser market by effectively making e…

> Possibly by trying to find a business model that can support Chrome development just like all other Chromium (and non-Chromium) based browsers? What would this business model be like, if, say, Google Chrome is eliminated? As a reference, in China, very few people use Chrome because Google services are blocked. There are tons of third-party or vendor preinstalled browsers that bundles with bloatwares, put ads/clickb…

In China, the vast majority of people are exclusively on mobile, where they use neither browsers nor even Android apps but rather manifold applets that are installed on top of a handful of nightmare spyware super-apps like WeChat.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Here's something I don't understand. If you want to switch your search engine for Safari on iOS, you open Settings, tap Safari, tap Search Engine, and tap your preferred search engine. Not many users do this, and the conclusion is that the default has an unfair advantage. If you want to make Chrome your desktop browser, you open the default browser, search for Chrome, click the correct result, download the installer,…

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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I believe the claim was that it's coming default on prebuilt PCs. If you're installing Windows, that's not the situation where Chrome would be the default.

I do a lot of IT support. Edge is the default on every single prebuilt / laptop I have setup for people. This is ancedotal sure but it's several hundred datapoints from the cheapest student focused budget laptops(running windows not chrome os) to business grade laptops from the big 3 (HP/Dell/Lenovo). Apple ships Safari by default and every linux distro I have used ships firefox or a spinoff of firefox by default. So…

I wasn't sure where to say it but your comment seems appropriate. It must impact install numbers when companies(ones I've been at) only want you to use chrome. Wasn't really an option for our regular staff. I was able to get away with using ff.

Agree as well - I still end up mostly using Google search, tho half the time when I don't get any decent results I realize it wasn't that important anyways. Interesting side effect of poor search results.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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I do a lot of IT support. Edge is the default on every single prebuilt / laptop I have setup for people. This is ancedotal sure but it's several hundred datapoints from the cheapest student focused budget laptops(running windows not chrome os) to business grade laptops from the big 3 (HP/Dell/Lenovo). Apple ships Safari by default and every linux distro I have used ships firefox or a spinoff of firefox by default. So…

>> I feel like other search engines are worse that Google even though Google's results are nearly unusable. Give Kagi a go - the usability thing is superb, as you can down rank common awful sites so they never appear in the results and they aren't stuffing ads into the results either I find the results excellent 99% of the time and for those odd cases I'm not convinced it found the best results I pop back to Google.…

For me almost all conventional search is dead now. Sure, perhaps useful for “what going on tomorrow where I live” but for everything else I now rely on LLMs.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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First I don't believe this is an effective remedy to break up a Google monopoly, but I have no influence on the DOJ. I'm curious though, if Google can no longer pay browsers for search engine traffic what is the business model that will sustain development and advancement in the space? How does a non Google owned Chrome support itself and continue development? What happens to all the applications that rely on Chrome…

Chrome could probably make a huge amount of money by doing what people assume Google does but actually doesn't - selling users browsing history. Google uses a complex anonymization/privacy framework to collect some aggregate signals from website visits, but they don't use it directly. Regulators don't understand this, and technologists who do tend to distrust Google anyway and think they might secretly be using it. T…

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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On Android Chrome is preinstalled and cannot be uninstalled

On Windows 11, Edge is preinstalled and can't simply be removed either. Furthermore, it constantly bugs you about if you're sure you don't want to enable their recommended settings, which ends up re-enabling all the analytics/rewards/etc.

Nobody cares about the desktop anymore.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Chrome is the default on every non-Apple system in common use. Windows (Edge), Chrome OS, Android…

Every non-apple system in common use? So linux? I don't think so...

Unless you are counting Android as a Linux system, Linux isn't in common use. Ask the top 5 PC makers how many Linux setups they sell and it's going to be a pretty small number.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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in a simple world, a web browser is a tool that is used by an end-user, and so end-users should be the ones paying for it. whether that's directly as paid software, or indirectly as part of purchasing a device that has the software installed on it.

gha.. Another subscription based app. I can see it now: 2.99/month. Also we already have browsers pre-installed. Safari and IE(or what ever it's called these days) There's no call to advance these though. Chrome has profiles. That alone makes it a winner for my use case.

I'm always a little surprised how we (HN readers) are so against paying for software. If any group understands the work that goes into major software packages and the value we derive from it, it should be us.

Who do you think should pay for it? What is the value to them? Do their incentives align well with yours?

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Here's something I don't understand. If you want to switch your search engine for Safari on iOS, you open Settings, tap Safari, tap Search Engine, and tap your preferred search engine. Not many users do this, and the conclusion is that the default has an unfair advantage. If you want to make Chrome your desktop browser, you open the default browser, search for Chrome, click the correct result, download the installer,…

Chrome had been on the biggest and most VIP billboard on the planet: https://open.substack.com/pub/bitecode/p/web-browsers-and-ou... Nobody can get it except chrome.

Yup, I don't understand why Google would sponsor McLaren F1 team. They've already done a better promoting Chrome.
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