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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by wsc981 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #93
stemlord wrote: post #74

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I won't be able to afford a plot of land without a job. I feel like we're on the verge of cataclysmic unemployment and I have absolutely no desire to wait in squalor for legislation to catch up with the nifty little UBI idea floating around which seems like should have been sorted yesterday.

An acre of farmland costs $2000 in North Dakota. You need 5000 of them to make a living growing wheat, but an acre should be enough to feed a family, maybe a few more if you want meat.

I think growing a single crop is risky, makes it harder to be self-reliant. My girlfriend grows many different fruits and vegetables, so we’re less bothered by the price changes each season or year. And we can be sure our own food includes a lot of organic produce.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by biztos »

wsc981 wrote: post #578
biztos wrote: post #409

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Also foreigners can’t own land in Thailand, so while I hope the Swiss gentleman has many more years of happiness, it was never his garden, which might be a turnoff to the techno-libertarians out there.

Not 100% true, foreigners can own up to 1 rai (1600 m2) once they gain citizenship (which takes a bit of effort and a lot of time).

My working definition of “foreigner” excludes Thai citizens, though maybe it’s more subtle than that: I didn’t know naturalized citizens were subject to ownership limits.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by [deleted] »

hokkos wrote: post #494
savef wrote: post #349

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https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

I asked chatGTP to "write a hacker news like comment on the rise of website builders effect on web design and development industry and how to found joy in other roles and keeping programming in side hobby" and it gave me a 97% real comment by the score on this site, not convincing.

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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by savef »

mike_hearn wrote: post #479
savef wrote: post #349

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https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ Using this tool on the comment yields a 77.6% fake score. To give (pretty limited) contrast, a response from ChatGPT gives 99.9% fake, and another comment from this thread gives 0.1% fake. I assume that means the comment text was GPT-assisted, with some moderate editing from a human.

Those tools are completely unreliable at the moment. Don't trust the results.

Oh, I didn't know this. Thanks.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #536
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #528

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Tech people so obviously loath creatives, its so sad. > he just had to use a new tool that made his work far more efficient. He had all satisfaction, creativity, and joy sapped out of his job. He was made alienated, made to feel pointless, in order to commodify a creative pursuit. Technology is doing what it has always done, rob skilled people of purpose. From the luddites, to potters, shoemakers, etc. They had a ski…

> Tech people so obviously loath creatives, its so sad. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. His job changed. You know who else has their job change sometimes? Everybody. I remember going to work one day and being told that I was going to be using Angular from now on. On that day all satisfaction, creativity, and joy was sapped out of my job. But I didn’t go and cry about it on Reddit. > Zero meaning left except for th…

> But I didn’t go and cry about it on Reddit.

Perhaps you should have. I think people deserve to feel loss. Alienation is a real issue. Automation breeds Alienation. I much rather feel meaning at work than have a cheaper TV or yet another data mining website that requires yet another account for little benefit.

> Luddites say this about every single technological innovation that they whinge about.

Possibly because it should be concerning that any meaning found in work is being optimized away for someone else's benefit. The weird lack of empathy to admit it happened to you and to decide someone else should feel it to, sorta worries me.

Especially in a creative field. Who does the cookie cutter AI models benefit? It doesn't benefit the consumer who wasted money on a lazy product, it doesn't benefit the people working on the project, as now their working hours are cut due to the soulless optimization. It benefits the boss, the guy extracting this value and selling a lesser product.

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Post by coffeebeqn »

whateveracct wrote: post #150
Julesman wrote: post #124

We are going to be seeing so much of this. It is sad. Start up culture at times seems to insist that all progress must be good, as though progress itself will be thwarted by reflection or honesty. Something is lost and something is gained, but that doesn't make the losses painless or irrelevant. We can be pragmatic and have empathy at the same time. What I don't think we should do is act like every change is inherent…

You can still do the old ways. I'm still gonna keep drawing and stuff, myself. I don't really see how the AI actually helps me accomplish my goals on an art or coding front as a gamedev. Where the goal is "make something meaningful and beautiful." I don't like to shout "philistine" or "luddite" but it feels like all the people excited for these tools were tasteless to begin with and already weren't producing works th…

In games I think it’s quite clear how it will help. We already do this to a large part with foliage and trees. There is a ton of content that isn’t emotionally important but it needs to simply adhere to the style and sit there in the environment

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Post by the_lonely_road »

Deegy wrote: post #556
washadjeffmad wrote: post #451

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Oof. Firing isn't free, comrade. Reducing redundancy to a single point of failure has two major effects: the latency penalty becomes quadratic as workload scales, and if any person quits, you lose the whole team. In general, creative roles like artists are the sum value of their education and experience, not just their measured output. If you don't possess art history vocabulary, you're going to be very limited in pr…

Even if we agree that your strategy is optimal, it would require the manager acting in a significantly pragmatic manner. I would wager that the majority of managers will rather reactively jump at the chance to cut an entire salary from their cost structure.

The majority of managers would jump at the opportunity to reduce their number of direct reports? Owners might want to cut salaries but managers want to increase direct reports.

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Post by stavros »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #262
anonyfox wrote: post #252

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How about striding for one of the core societal values that make many advanced democraties (including the European nordics) so much better/happier than the US? It’s called Equality. Insert strong progressive taxes, especially on wealth, and use it to fund a strong public sector, so _everyone_ has as access to basic goods and services for free, like education/health/transport/… . I think you vastly underestimate how m…

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I agree. What does it matter if healthcare costs an arm and a leg when you have drones delivering your weed?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

causality0 wrote: post #140

Man is it hard not to feel a little schadenfreude. For decades the white collars watched the blue collars lose their jobs to machines and said "well I'm so sorry for you, but you really should've realized the purpose of a human being is to use their mind and create, they can never take that from us". This is going to do for art what YouTube did for video production: obliterate the grind. Now what counts is your genui…

The scahdenfreude is going to be off the charts in a few years when these "tools" get so advanced that cease making people more productive and cause a massive loss of jobs, and no replacement, and no post-capitalist utopia. The people who were so sanguine about adapting to change are going to realize they were made promises that never stood a chance in hell of being kept.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by cuddlyogre »

There is something to be said about how dangerous it is to offload your entire workflow to entities that you are competing with. Or have unpredictable morals.

Say you start relying on some AI to build all your applications or generate all of your art, or copy. What if you start developing something that competes with the business interests of the entity that owns the AI? At that point, that entity is incentivized to lock you out of their system, leaving you with a project that cannot be finished because no one in your organization knows how to develop that kind of project.

Or, say you are developing an application that helps some marginalized group or is working to expose some kind of corruption. But, as it turns out, the owner of the AI profits from that marginalization or corruption in some way. So they lock you out and blacklist you in some way.

When it is all said and done, AI will be owned and operated by the same people that own everything else in the tech industry - Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple. Are you really content with only being allowed to express yourself in the way they deem appropriate?

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