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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

jquery wrote: post #575
_V_ wrote: post #507

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For example swapped LCD will disable truetone and in iPhone 14 reportedly auto brightness. Battery will lock out "battery health". Rear facing camera will glitch out (I think it will not do video and it will reduce framerate dramatically) and front camera will not work correctly at all. All accompanied with constant nagging about non-genuine parts - regardless if you use parts from another iPhone (100% genuine).

It’s just “find my iPhone” extended to individual parts to reduce theft. If you own the other iPhone you will have no problem getting rid of the “unauthorized parts” screen. Reducing iPhone theft is an extremely worthy goal, especially for people who live in high theft countries.

Well, I can turn Find My off. I cannot reset this crap.

Also it makes zero difference in stealing an iPhone as even iCloud locked iPhone is easily useable for parts.

So no, it is not like that at all.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by _V_ »

jquery wrote: post #571
kramerger wrote: post #478

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> Apple devices weren't made difficult to repair because Apple actively despised repairers. IIRC the front panel uses DRM to stop unauthorized screen replacement.

No, it’s to make stolen iPhones worthless.

Yeah, but it does not make it worthless at all...

Even broken logic board is worth quite a lot so this argument is really more of a wishfull thinking than a reality.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by jquery »

_V_ wrote: post #581
jquery wrote: post #575

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It’s just “find my iPhone” extended to individual parts to reduce theft. If you own the other iPhone you will have no problem getting rid of the “unauthorized parts” screen. Reducing iPhone theft is an extremely worthy goal, especially for people who live in high theft countries.

Well, I can turn Find My off. I cannot reset this crap. Also it makes zero difference in stealing an iPhone as even iCloud locked iPhone is easily useable for parts. So no, it is not like that at all.

A stolen iPhone is less usable for parts if they show “unauthorized hardware” warnings when installed, no? Consumers don’t want to see warnings like that.

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vanderZwan wrote: post #577
jquery wrote: post #574

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To be fair, wouldn’t an iPhone from 5 years ago not be “significantly simpler” in features?

It's not like iPhones from five years ago were easy to repair. And definitely not as easily as Fairphones. edit: wait, are we agreeing or not? I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing

What I mean is Fairphone isn’t really comparable to an iPhone 14 pro. Not yet anyway. I’m all for more sustainable smartphones and even laws backing this up, so I don’t know if I’m disagreeing with you. Apple is making enough margin to focus more on sustainability at this point without sacrificing anything else.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by jquery »

_V_ wrote: post #582
jquery wrote: post #571

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No, it’s to make stolen iPhones worthless.

Yeah, but it does not make it worthless at all... Even broken logic board is worth quite a lot so this argument is really more of a wishfull thinking than a reality.

”worth less” then instead of worthless

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Post by viktorcode »

smoldesu wrote: post #207
viktorcode wrote: post #198

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> interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. I think one problem is not being discussed enough is iPhones being stolen for parts (since in most cases they can't be reactivated). I strongly suspect inability to simply switch parts without remote authorisation is Apple's way to address the problem.

Okay, let's discuss it then. Why do I need Apple's consent to repair the device I paid for? Why is there no way for me to (even temporarily) disable this feature if I actually want to fix my phone?

As a customer you don't need "Apple's consent". Just drop the phone to a repair shop of your choosing. As a repair servicemen, you need Apple's consent presumably because they don't want you buying stolen iPhones for parts.

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Post by t3pfaff »

dmitrygr wrote: post #565
e44858 wrote: post #370

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The thief could just ask you for your iCloud password and unlock the phone (with a gun/knife for motivation). https://xkcd.com/538/

That is not how smash-n-grabs work

I saw a video of two thieves doing exactly that in Chicago (or Detroit I don't remember) they kept hitting the guy over the head until he gave them the password and then shot him like 5 times.

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Post by hackmiester »

_V_ wrote: post #505
hackmiester wrote: post #494

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I had mine done by Apple at an Apple Store and then got it wet two days later. It was destroyed instantly. They gave me a new phone at no cost. As a result, I now recommend AppleCare replacement over any repair, if the water resistance is important to you.

Honestly anyone can screw up during re-sealing step. It is not really that hard to do correctly but if you don't follow the procedure correctly, new adhesive will stick somewhat but will not be as strong as before. The thing is that even if you screw this up, it will probably look OK for quite some time without being really water tight.

exactly. Luckily I had already planned to go swimming two days later so I noticed the problem quickly.

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Post by rajnathani »

rajnathani wrote: post #518
ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

> - using no glue or snaps What's the reason to avoid snaps?

Okay this is understandable as while some snaps are easy to both insert (snapped) and remove (unsnapped), some can not be removed easily.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by lukas099 »

dylan604 wrote: post #521
lukas099 wrote: post #471

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This still follows my point that when you buy Apple Care, you are paying for your phone breaking to be a non-stressful event. Having to find a working device, make an appointment, wait for your appointment (while your anxiety about being phoneless builds up), remember the appointment, and be on time is not nearly as nice an experience as walking up to a table at the mall you've never talked to before and getting it f…

>(while your anxiety about being phoneless builds up) This is a truly terrifying thing to me about today's younger generations that have "always had" a device and have use the social platforms just as long. I don't mean for that to sound patronizing or belittling. It is just so out of my own experience it is hard for me to empathize, but I do sympathize as I realize that some of that dependancy was/is intentionally j…

It's not just that, but also knowing that one's spouse might be trying to call and getting frustrated. Or needing the phone for 2FA.
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