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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by distances »

oynqr wrote: post #524
Bayart wrote: post #159

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> it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa That's literally how it works [1]. EU citizens are treated the same as local citizens in every country. [1]: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/europe-travel-insurance/ehi...

Maybe in some dream world. Hospital visits are usually covered, but going to a GP often involves paying in cash and only getting reimbursed later at home.

In which country? My experience has been that the European health insurance card works very well and you get the same service as locals do.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by llampx »

snovv_crash wrote: post #269
DeathArrow wrote: post #253

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>This is for the benefit of people who live here and are struggling with 2 EUR/liter If 2 EUR/liter is too much for Germany, than it's enormous for my Eastern European country. I know we should support the war and sanctions and all those nice things, but some poor people depend on transportation for their living. If it costs too much, they might not be able to work. Already surges in food prices and utilities prices…

Germany is a rich country with poor people.

Just look at the median wealth of the population. Many people don't own a home, and that kills the wealth statistics. A few BMW heirs, Aldi brothers and Lidl owner push up the average vastly.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by iggldiggl »

kuschku wrote: post #320
iggldiggl wrote: post #242

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If this was really about saving energy, they wouldn't also simultaneously lower gas taxes during the same period as well.

As is common in coalition governments, the 9-Euro-Ticket is a pet project of the greens to save energy and save people money, while the gas taxes are a pet project of the neoliberals to save people money :)

Indeed…

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by 6510 »

Pamar wrote: post #569
est31 wrote: post #565

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In theory you can, but reception is notoriously bad in german trains. They know about it though and are constantly looking for improvements, e.g. the change a few years ago to allow for free wifi, or developments of glass technology. Links in german. https://www.golem.de/news/deutsche-bahn-wlan-im-ice-wird-kos... https://www.golem.de/news/statt-repeater-bahn-holt-5g-durch-...

Yeah, I can testify that cell coverage is pretty bad, at least in the northern parts. ICE usually offer free wifi and the signal is a bit better, but still not really comparable with what I get in the North of Italy, for example.

Dutch trains almost all have wifi, it isn't fast tho and then, on busy trains, you get to share it with 100 people which is rather hilarious. Most people have cellular plans now and coverage is better than one would want it to be.

edit: it is funny how youtube thinks the person on this IP address is waaaay into trains.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by ivan_gammel »

midasuni wrote: post #572
ivan_gammel wrote: post #333

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Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

Why not take the train that leaves half an hour later?

1. Such train may not exist. 2. Train at more convenient time could be fully booked. 3. Train at more convenient time could be significantly more expensive.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by dathinab »

Reason077 wrote: post #577
dathinab wrote: post #567

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Yes but if they catch you it cost like 60€ or so and legally counts as uh trespassing I think not that the BVG will bother to sue or anything. So for locals it's still a grate deal. And the tickets show how long they have been active, so activating them when you see they check might not pass at all (depending on the person checking, the often let it pass anyway).

They're not so lenient if you're black, apparently. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/in-no-city-hav...

I can't juge this.

But I have seen multiple cases of Ticket controlling sub-contractors acting out of line against Berlin citizens you could describe of "looking German" ("looking German" from the POV of a potential racist person, not mine POV).

I also have seen people acting out of line against the ticket controlling sub-contractors, including in the way the contractors claimed the black person did. But also worse. Like to a point where I was surprised the contractor kept calm and half expected needing to step in. Because many people would have lost it if "insulted" to that degree.

The increased tension between contractors and citizens in recent was the reason they changed their policy recently (for some time? still ongoing? idk.) to no longer have the subcontractors wear civil clothes even through it means they will miss more people without tickets. I also have seen more security people (which job does not include controlling tickets, luckily this is kept separate).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by potatoz2 »

cbmuser wrote: post #533
potatoz2 wrote: post #405

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There are many free goods people don’t seem to (usually) overconsume. Primary school is free, libraries are free, parks are free, etc. To know whether public transportation is more like free libraries or more like free parking, you have to run the experiment.

So, how exactly would you overconsume school, libraries or parks?

Presumably the same way you’d overconsume public transportation according to OP: staying too long, crowding out other users that want/need to use public goods more than you.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by virtualritz »

llampx wrote: post #579
virtualritz wrote: post #464

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There is also FlixTrain for e.g. Hamburg—Berlin (or vice versa) which is demand-priced. And includes a reserved seat. I went for 4.99€ last month – twice (taking early morning trains).

I thought you have to book a seat separately on Flixtrain, at least when I looked a couple of days ago to compare to the DB train.

On FlixTrain you can book a seat separately if you want a specific seat. Otherwise you get an assigned seat included with the ticket for no extra charge.

I.e. unlike DB there are no overcrowded FlixTrains where people have to sit on floors or stand. FlixTrains have a maximum occupancy dictated by number of seats.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by danuker »

namibj wrote: post #471
kuschku wrote: post #244

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Well, they were designed to survive everything except an every-100-years summer (36°C sustained outdoor temperatures) back in the 80s, which now happens to be every summer. Even the trains ordered in 2000 were designed for an every-100-years summer (40°C sustained outdoor temperatures) which now some regions are hitting every year as well. The issue isn’t the ACs, the real issue is climate change ;)

But per Carnot, maintaining a fixed temperature differential against a fixed thermal resistance is cheaper (requires less work) at a higher temperature (1/(1-(Tcold/Thot)) is the carnot-limited "coefficient of performance" for a heat pump). So theoretically they should be able to maintain the design differential even at higher outdoor temperatures, causing indoor temperatures to raise from ~21°C to 26°C comparing the…

But of course people using the coolers are keeping the temperature constant (not the differential, and therefore pushing the pumps harder).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by namibj »

danuker wrote: post #589
namibj wrote: post #471

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But per Carnot, maintaining a fixed temperature differential against a fixed thermal resistance is cheaper (requires less work) at a higher temperature (1/(1-(Tcold/Thot)) is the carnot-limited "coefficient of performance" for a heat pump). So theoretically they should be able to maintain the design differential even at higher outdoor temperatures, causing indoor temperatures to raise from ~21°C to 26°C comparing the…

But of course people using the coolers are keeping the temperature constant (not the differential, and therefore pushing the pumps harder).

Well, then maybe those need some self-protection to not overexert themselves when the temperature gradient is too steep.
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