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Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by htrp »

bumby wrote: post #560
martibravo wrote: post #495

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I have been a Netflix customer for 5+ years, and I've switched services to Disney+ for two reasons: - Netflix with 4K and 4 streaming devices costs 17.99€ here ($19.50), while Disney+ only costs €8.99 with the same features. - Netflix made and continues to make good content, but since major producers have been removing their content from Netflix and into their own services, Netflix here almost survives on old local s…

> There have been some rumors of ads on the platform to boost revenue. It's been stated elsewhere here but worth reiterating: the current description of this idea is to give customers the option to have ads in exchange for a lower overall subscription cost and not just shoehorn them into the existing plans. At least that's the stated intent. I can definitely see where it can lead to a slippery slope where it's easier…

That's how it starts..... it ends with you paying for ad free hulu and wondering how you're still watching unskippable ads.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by snickerbockers »

bumby wrote: post #560
martibravo wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been a Netflix customer for 5+ years, and I've switched services to Disney+ for two reasons: - Netflix with 4K and 4 streaming devices costs 17.99€ here ($19.50), while Disney+ only costs €8.99 with the same features. - Netflix made and continues to make good content, but since major producers have been removing their content from Netflix and into their own services, Netflix here almost survives on old local s…

> There have been some rumors of ads on the platform to boost revenue. It's been stated elsewhere here but worth reiterating: the current description of this idea is to give customers the option to have ads in exchange for a lower overall subscription cost and not just shoehorn them into the existing plans. At least that's the stated intent. I can definitely see where it can lead to a slippery slope where it's easier…

theres also a high probability of misinformed (or well-informed but adversarial) twitter users getting #CancelNetflix to trend because people will only read the headlines and not understand that they wont be seeing ads unless they want to save money.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by mirceal »

I’m bullish on Netflix in the long term. This is an overreaction from the market.

As far as tech goes, I think Netflix has the best and I can see a future where it will provide streaming tech to all other major players.

So, putting my money where my mouth is and buying some shares. Let’s see how this plays out.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by sergiotapia »

john_minsk wrote: post #502
sergiotapia wrote: post #135

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Latest and greatest is "plexshares" just google that. I've been sailing the high seas since 2002 and this is my last stop. No fuss, no worrying about anything. Wife and kids are very happy.

Wow. Thank you very much. Any advise for noobs?

Find one in there that you like in your price range. I pay $20 and have 1080p/4k remuxes. I used to spend at least 10 hours a month managing my own Plex/Emby, the money is well spent to me.

Also, buy an nvidia shield tv pro. It plays everything directly with no transcode, and handles all subtitles effortlessly without triggering a transcode.

I tried roku, amazon cube, apple tv, everything - the shield is the best still despite it's age. It's flawless.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by ripper1138 »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #439
Stunting wrote: post #291

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You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

Uh huh, I'll stop stealing from you when you stop stealing from me. Advertizements everywhere stealing my attention, public space, and landscape beauty. Stealth taxes on empty hard drives and other storage media. Hardware-destroying rootkits and other malware (lost a DVD drive to DRM, will you reimburse me?). Draconian control mechanisms and lobbying stealing my control of the devices I own. Mountains upon mountains…

This is a joke right? Kind of like rioters looting local businesses and then saying “society stole from us first”?

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by nottorp »

> Then again, if you’re borrowing someone else’s password, Netflix may not be valuable enough to warrant a subscription in the first place

Exactly. Same false argument as for torrenting entertainment content. Most people who get it for free will just go without if they're prevented from getting it.

As for Netflix specifically, I don't watch it but I believe the missus is finding fewer and fewer shows worth watching.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by jorams »

Stunting wrote: post #291
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

You're stealing income, specifically from me and all of my coworkers. Perhaps you think that you're only stealing from Producers and A list actors, but there are entire departments that receive residuals on a production. - On screen performers, stunt performers like myself and actors who grind out a comfortable living. Those residuals also go to qualifying for health insurance through earnings. You are directly steal…

There's two (relevant) kinds of consumers here: Those who want access and those who want ownership.

Netflix was on a path to successfully serve the first kind, the only remaining problems being region locking and an incomplete catalog. Demand for piracy went down. Then the industry got greedy, made one of those remaining problems much, much worse, and now the demand for piracy is on the rise again.

The industry spends a lot of resources making life worse for the second kind, in a misguided attempt to both satisfy them and fully prevent the possibility of piracy. Instead they fail at both. The result is an increased demand for piracy.

> You're directly responsible for sucking the quality of life away from people who make your entertainment and reducing the desire to make things you enjoy. You're going to end up with shows that are AI generated CGI sponsored by Mt. Dew and Chevy trucks.

So here's the problem: The only way I can spend money to encourage the production of content I want is to buy a terrible, abusive product I don't want. It only plays in 720p, it's only available through a shitty app, it may disappear from the platform it's on any time.

All of it is just a wrapper for content. Please sell me the content. Whatever file comes out at the end of the production process, sell it to me.

Instead I spend my money in other places. Streamers on Twitch want it. YouTubers want it. People on Patreon want it. Developers want it. Somehow they manage not to abuse the people willing to give them money.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by seaman1921 »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #268
cercatrova wrote: post #101

It's easier just to pirate than keep up with all these streaming services. - You get the benefit of high quality (true 4k, not stream compressed "4k") and no buffering. - Plex, Radarr, Sonarr automatically downloads and categorizes your content for you, you can just sit back and enjoy your content. - Edit: Plex et al are not the *only* ways to download content, not sure why some replies are thinking so. I too can typ…

I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

YES it IS easy. Any kid or grandparent could do it - don't underestimate them. This isn't their nerd-blindness, this is your normie-ignorance.

Re: The bottom is dropping out of Netflix

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Post by brimble »

rhino369 wrote: post #323
hardwaregeek wrote: post #268

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I don't know how to phrase this nicely, but this is precisely the type of Hacker News nerd-blindness that I find amazing. It's "easier"? Is it? For young children who want to watch their kids shows and don't know what 4k means? For grandparents who want to see some k-dramas and have no clue about DRM or geo-locked? Sure, Netflix has issues and it's made some bad decisions, but let's not delude ourselves here. The gro…

It's not easier. I've got a BS in EE and am old enough to have downloaded episodes of the TV show 24 over 56k using early BitTorrent. I've successfully set up plex (which requires an in house server/spare pc), sonarr, radarr, usenet, etc. I'm probably the 99% percentile in ability to pirate. And its not easier than netflix. 90% of people I know probably couldn't set this up. And the other 10% would spend more time di…

For me, it's that I want a significant portion of a piracy set-up for things that I can't get at all (4k actual original Star Wars trilogy, certain shows with the original soundtrack rather than a worse replacement, some obscure pieces of media) or for things I consider likely to disappear any time (YouTube videos) so if I'm going to have it anyway, I may as well also use it to avoid the "where the hell can I watch this?" shuffle. I do also pay for several streaming services.
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