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Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by jayknight »

rpmisms wrote: post #569
jlongr wrote: post #515

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From the nature.com link that you posted: “The low rate of severe acute disease is important news, but this does not have to mean that COVID does not matter to children,” says paediatrician Danilo Buonsenso at the Gemelli University Hospital in Rome. “Please, let’s keep attention — as much as is feasible — on immunization.”

How about 1 out of 52 children in the 5-11 test group experiencing heart inflammation as a result of the vaccine? That sounds a hell of a lot more dangerous than covid for kids. > "according to data reviewed by the CDC's advisory panel on vaccines, as of Oct. 10, almost 2 million 5- to 11-year-olds have gotten ill from COVID-19, and 94 have died." That's a laughably low death rate. Driving your child to school is mor…

Can you provide a citation for that "1 out of 52" statistic? I'm seeing

>In Pfizer's clinical trial for 5- to 11-year-olds, there were no cases of myocarditis, although the company acknowledged that the trials were not big enough to pick up such rare events.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/03/1051299...

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by Djrhfbfnsks »

guitarbill wrote: post #513
School-Cotton wrote: post #477

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My personal opinion, which reasonable people may of course disagree with depending on how they weight various factors, is that forcing people to regularly hide their faces in public is too large a price to pay to avoid sometimes getting a cold.

Maybe not forcing, but if people did it as a curtesy to not get other people sick? Of course, that already happens in some places, and will never happen in others.

Pre-covid Japan had the right balance IMO. It was common to (voluntarily) wear a mask in public when you had a cold (or didn't feel like putting on make-up), but no one was going to force you to wear one.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by TacticalCoder »

So no we have the Pfizer vaccine (which I got) who cuts the risk of both catching the virus and the risk of severe complication by a lot (forgot the number but it's big) and in addition to that we now have Pfizer oral medication that can be given to positive cases and which reduces both hospitalization and death risk by 85%.

When can life go back to normal?

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by lettergram »

HWR_14 wrote: post #381
lettergram wrote: post #271

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That’s a straw man argument, when you take this drug you already have 100% covid19. Presumably that means you’ll have that risk, plus additional unknown risk. Perhaps the drug works like advertised, but we’ve seen better and more successful studies for things like ivermectin and anti-body treatments. Which have a known risk profile. It’s the same for the vaccine. You still have the risk of what ever the vaccine risk…

> Presumably that means you’ll have that risk, plus additional unknown risk. That's a bad argument. This makes COVID less severe, which in turn makes the long-term affects less severe. Things in medicine are rarely binary.

We don’t actually know if it makes the long term risk less severe or more severe. We don’t have the data.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by frealy »

danielvf wrote: post #195
wincy wrote: post #169

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I live in Kansas and have basically forgotten COVID is a thing. The people who wanted to get vaccinated like me have and those who haven’t, haven’t. Nobody asks about it and no businesses have any sort of mask requirements. Half of the people at the grocery store wear masks and the other half don’t. Everyone seems to be getting along. Next door in Kansas City Missouri I stopped at a gas station and an employee was sh…

Pretty much the same story in South Carolina. Outside retail workers, mask usage in my hyper local area is about 2%. Life has been basically completely normal since June 2020.

Here in San Francisco, a.k.a. East Germany the Stasi are very strong.

Even 5 year olds now have to show proof of vaccine and wear a mask to enter most private companies.

Either masks work or they don't. Either vaccines work or they don't. Pick one asssholes.

The mayor herself won't follow her very own draconian covid orders.

The governor of California won't follow his very own draconian covid orders. He also won't vaccinate his own daughter.

FUCK EVERY PIECE OF LOW-LIFE DEMOCRAT LIBERAL FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT IN SAN FRANCISCO.

I know you all are reading this so please go jump off the big beautiful bridge of ours or jump in front of Cal-Train. You people are FUCKING LOSERS.

I hope you all get FUCKED! If you somehow survive the next year just wait cause the right wing death squads are coming for you.

We will throw you out of planes at 30,000 feet over the fucking ocean.

LIBERALS: You ARE FUCKED!

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by frealy »

decebalus1 wrote: post #525
thr0w72594 wrote: post #268

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Subramanian Kumar 2021 [1] found that there is no correlation between vaccination rates and new case rates on a country-wide level, or a county-wide level in the United States. This tracks with Dr. Vanden Bossche's assessment [2] from March of this year that mass vaccination with prophylactic vaccines will actually prolong and worsen the pandemic due to shedding of infectious variants. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go…

Stop spreading misinformation. The 'study' is in itself a case study about shitty studies. Also check who Akhil Kumar is and what are his credentials.

You are just racist. Shut the fuck up libtard.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by ginja »

zionic wrote: post #398
jungturk wrote: post #233

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Yes, the US populace has elected to fund a public health organization which has advised on public health measures since its inception (which is not recent or coincident with Covid-19). You are not forced to take any vaccine, though many (public and private) institutions will require you to do so to participate in their functions (e.g. attending public school, serving in the military, working in hospitals, etc...). In…

> You are not forced to take any vaccine Can we please just stop? “Take this or lose your job and pension” is not a choice.

I mean, it is because you can look for another job or start your own business if that's the hill you want to die on.

But in general society has rules and we must abide by them if we want to participate. For instance I'm sure most people wouldn't appreciate if I walked around naked, which does not harm anyone unlike needlessly having an increased risk of contracting and/or spreading COVID.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by frealy »

Friendly reminder Fauci authorized "research" where they physically ripped out puppies vocal chords so they wouldn't have to listen to them cry while they fed their faces to insects and slowly were murdered over the course of 2 weeks:

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/utterly-disgust...

Of course, that isn't even the most grotesque that piece of shit did. They also threw acid on monkey brains to induce terror.

Seriously, if you support Fauci - at all - I hope you get shot in the fucking head.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by epicide »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #299
matsemann wrote: post #178

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It seems to me that you're one of those not understanding COVID death rates, though. Firstly, even though I doubt your number a bit, even a 1/200 chance of death is mighty high enough for most people to seek treatment for something. Secondly, if you're already infected, the pill is probably less risky than those 1/200. Thirdly, the chance of death isn't equal for everyone. A healthy young person might have a 10x redu…

People think 0.5% is low, but e.g. JFK airport has about 500 takeoffs a day, if on average every day 2 or 3 planes that flew out of JFK crashed, how would they feel about air travel?

I think part of the problem is people see getting covid as something that will only happen to them once. So it is easy for them to think "well, if JFK had that many crashes, but I only had to fly once in my life, that's not so bad."

Realistically, re-infection is going to become more and more of a thing. Especially as it mutates.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Post by teachrdan »

wincy wrote: post #506
10x-dev wrote: post #254

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I've always found it strange that some Americans focus on politeness above all. Of all the problems in your story, the employee shouting is the least 'wrong'. You've got a woman who won't wear a mask, yourself who sneaked in without a mask, and that's just in that moment of time, but somehow the employee who has to deal with that behavior all day every day is the bad person because they lost their cool. It's one of t…

I mean, I saw the “masks required in this county” sign, but I really needed to pee. I knew I was going to be driving through that county for about 20 more minutes, so I checked my car for a mask. I couldn’t find one as there’s no mask mandate in my area so I’ve stopped carrying a mask around. I then held my shirt up as best I could as a “mask” and made a bee line for the bathroom. If they’d had masks at the door I’d…

> I’d be mad if I was being threatened with fines by the local government for having maskless people in my establishment too.

Ha. Perhaps she was mad because she was at risk of being exposed to Covid all day long due to boneheads who were incapable of reading, or wearing a mask, and some of them turned around and gave her grief for it?

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