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Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by wwn_se »

Wilem82 wrote: post #580
tikiman163 wrote: post #543

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Skype is crap, it was doomed to die around that time frame anyway. If anything, Microsoft Business kept Skype going longer than it would have otherwise. Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts, Slack or Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) and then tell me that Skype was ruined by integrating with Microsoft's other product base. The closest argument you might be able to make is th…

> Seriously, go use products like Google Hangouts Corporate standard at my place of work. I hate Hangouts with a passion. It's the worst messenger, feature- and UI- wise that I've seen for years. > Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) No it isn't. Used Teams at another company which adopted it as the standard. Couple of years ago. Feature-wise it was like a proof of concept, very early ac…

Teams a few years ago is not a good comparison it has evolved a lot since just a year ago. Wile slack is getting more bloated and messy, through currently okey to use.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by sneak »

ahupp wrote: post #332
sneak wrote: post #125

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I do not consider the largest distributor of proprietary, closed-source spyware (Windows) owning the fastest growing open source package manager to be a good outcome, personally.

What's the specific outcome you're concerned about?

Enriching Microsoft and improving their position in the market as a byproduct of publishing and using open source code that has nothing to do with them.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by ahupp »

sneak wrote: post #582
ahupp wrote: post #332

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What's the specific outcome you're concerned about?

Enriching Microsoft and improving their position in the market as a byproduct of publishing and using open source code that has nothing to do with them.

How is open source software harmed by Microsoft being successful promoting open source software? This feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by sneak »

ahupp wrote: post #583
sneak wrote: post #582

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Enriching Microsoft and improving their position in the market as a byproduct of publishing and using open source code that has nothing to do with them.

How is open source software harmed by Microsoft being successful promoting open source software? This feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The danger is not to open source in particular; it is to the world in general, which includes open source developers, as well as all other people.

Microsoft and their allies make the world a lot worse for a lot of people. They’re the number one distributor of spyware in the world!

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by legooolas »

cocoa19 wrote: post #574
Summershard wrote: post #550

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> Microsoft Teams (Microsofts's surprisingly better clone of Slack) Personal experience, but I have not found a single person who likes MS Teams. Usually people around me say that Slack is ok-ish, while MS Teams is crap.

You haven't suffered worse tools. Have you ever heard of Lotus Notes / Lotus Sametime? It's not great, but in the corporate space, Teams does an OK job, and MS is a reputable company for B2B.

"Better than Lotus Notes" is not a high bar.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by halkcyon »

cfv wrote: post #517
greymalik wrote: post #505

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> after we saw what happened to yarn What happened with yarn? As a very casual user of it, it seems to work well and have pushed npm to innovate a bit when it was stagnating. But I haven’t followed it lately. Were there technical issues or political drama?

Yarn's new version does a bunch of weird, complex to reason about stuff that's closer to a bundler than it is to a module manager: https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn/issues/6953

> "weird, complex"

I mean, zip files are hardly complex. PnP is a breath of fresh air and lets you commit packages "safely" to your SCM without LFS. NPM has been experimenting in v7 with similar ideas.

I'm personally quite fond of "zero-install" setup to a repo.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by halkcyon »

hinkley wrote: post #465
jrochkind1 wrote: post #395

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What happened to yarn is they released a v2 with some backwards incompatibilities... and for this reason we should be glad facebook didn't buy npm? (Also facebook doesn't actually own yarn). Well I'm confused.

some backward incompatibilities? You apparently can’t run node directly. That’s kind of a problem for all but the most obvious of use cases.

Yes you can, it just requires extra configuration and defeats the purpose of using v2 at all.

Re: NPM Is Joining GitHub

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Post by halkcyon »

teknopaul wrote: post #397
quixoticaxolotl wrote: post #382

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Change my mind: package management infrastructure run by government as a public service should be the ideal end outcome for everyone. Why I think this: private or volunteer models are unsustainable in the long run owing to funding uncertainties or conflicts of interest between stakeholders. Utilities that support the bulk of our technical infrastructure should be secured by public interests. Governments can keep thin…

I like Linux's decentralized approach. That would work for Npm. Npm has enough problems that its worth running your own mirror for business continuity. Microsoft are likely to make breaking changes immediatly.

> That would work for Npm. Npm has enough problems that its worth running your own mirror for business continuity.

And risk-averse businesses do already.

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