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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by testpostpls »

btmiller wrote: post #327
ceejayoz wrote: post #270

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> What if I don't want to test my mouse before coffee? What if I have urgent emails to answer? Plug it in once a month (when it's at ~50% or so) for an hour or two when you finish your day or go to lunch?

The point isn’t that there are solutions to keeping it charged. The point is it’s a needless concession for Apple to make when other wireless mouses have found elegant ways to achieve simultaneous use and charging. This wasn’t an instance of Apple reinventing something that will later seem so obvious.

It is obvious. People will leave wireless mice plugged in all the time out of superstition or worry. Apple’s way elegantly eliminates that possibility. Anybody who wants to plug in their wireless mouse may purchase another.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by m463 »

martinpw wrote: post #348

The Benjamin Button review of improvements in older Macs compared with newer ones: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the...

I think my 2007-ish macbook pro had the best keyboard of all. Light action concave keys

I don't think that the superiority of concave keys gets the attention it deserves.

- the keys fit your finger better - the force of the keypress is evenly distributed across the surface of your finger, especially as the key bottoms out. New keyboards deform your finger pad as you press down and are less comfortable.

- the concave shape helps you locate the keys and center your fingers by feel. This leads to more accurate finger placement initially and as you type. You will type more accurately.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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EForEndeavour wrote: post #541
sf_rob wrote: post #480

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I damaged my company 2017 MBP by dropping it ~24" when I caught the cord on my foot. The Genius Bar wanted me to pre-authorize $800 of charges before they would even look at it. I was a bit appalled that I couldn't pay any kind of diagnostic fee.

A moment of silence for the dearly departed MagSafe.

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by Tempest1981 »

imtringued wrote: post #132
koliber wrote: post #119

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Also, remember when they - removed the SCSI port - removed the floppy disk drive - removed the CD ROM It hurt EVERY time. The pain does not get less when they do it over and over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bypcPW5O4 Guess which one apple (and everyone else) is using despite this being available for two years? (Not aptX) Wireless just isn't ready yet.

I clicked... long video that shows Bluetooth audio out-of-sync with computer video, due to 220 ms delay vs aptX 40 ms delay.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by testpostpls »

ainiriand wrote: post #218
coldtea wrote: post #198

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Yes, equally bad.

Exactly, the option to plug and use the mouse when needed should be there. That is good design, keeping your user in mind.

Having that option makes folks anxious about using their mouse when it’s not plugged in.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by bproven »

m463 wrote: post #582
martinpw wrote: post #348

The Benjamin Button review of improvements in older Macs compared with newer ones: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the...

I think my 2007-ish macbook pro had the best keyboard of all. Light action concave keys I don't think that the superiority of concave keys gets the attention it deserves. - the keys fit your finger better - the force of the keypress is evenly distributed across the surface of your finger, especially as the key bottoms out. New keyboards deform your finger pad as you press down and are less comfortable. - the concave…

Sounds simliar to the Thinkpad keys/keyboards - the best in the industry IMO. Mac trackpad + Thinkpad keyboard = perfect laptop :)

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by brandonmenc »

katbyte wrote: post #487
brandonmenc wrote: post #363

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Being able to plug the AC adapter into either side of the laptop > MagSafe.

For me MagSafe > plugging into either side or any usbc so ️

Well, you are obviously wrong. /s

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by bproven »

carlivar wrote: post #552
camelNotation wrote: post #410

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Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

I agree it's great hardware. Do you run Linux? Because my problem with Lenovo is Windows. It's hot garbage despite the perception that Windows is decent again. But what's not great hardware is the touchpad. I always miss the Apple touchpad. It's perfect.

I run Fedora 29 on TP Carbon X1 6th gen. Perfect - no issues for me.

Carbon touchpad is one of the bext non-Mac ones I have tried. is it perfectly up to par with Mac...no, but I havent found any that were.

Can I get my TP keyboard and Mac track/touchpad? That would be nice :)

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by Tempest1981 »

volkl48 wrote: post #294
Nextgrid wrote: post #67

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Vista wasn't a low point. It had its flaws and was (apparently - I didn't notice but was running top of the line hardware so can't really tell) a resource hog but it was still a pleasure to use compared to Windows 10. Windows 10 is a low point.

The problem with Vista largely wasn't the OS itself. It was: - They changed the driver model from XP and a lot of 3rd parties either didn't have compatible drivers out at launch day (or anywhere soon after), or had buggy, unreliable ones. - They set the minimum hardware requirements too low and so a lot of garbage was sold at the low-end of the market with a Vista sticker that was never really going to be able to run…

They should have forced everything to 64-bit at the same time. Vs forcing developers to support both 32- and 64-bit. Resulting in mostly 32-bit apps.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Post by Tempest1981 »

benologist wrote: post #230

Not admitting your mistake this much is simply lying. They have a severe honesty problem admitting their hardware faults. How is this legal? Imagine if car companies, instead of recalling their broken shit, just lied and quietly tried to fix it on next year's model... When the free keyboard replacement program shuts down, and Apple still denies the problem, and Apple happily charges you $795 every so often to fix the…

Where is the threshold between "marketing spin" and lying?
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