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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Native iOS development (for almost a decade now, jesus), and I've yet to find a touchpad that feels as good (tell me another to go try and I promise I will, although I'm sure it'll be tough to overcome my own muscle memory/bias).

As for the touchpad, those of us with ThinkPads just use the TrackPoint, which is (IMO) better than any touchpad. Off-brand TrackPoint-esque pointing sticks (on Dells or HPs) are usually absolute junk and go to maximum speed no matter how lightly you push it. The touchpad has the advantage of being immediately intuitive, but after a little work on an old ThinkPad (an X220 from eBay is about $130 shipped) you’ll proba…

Have you tried the MacBook Touchpad? All my windows and linux machines have been Thinkpads and while I prefer to use the trackpoint on them, the touchpad on a MacBook wins easily in my experience.

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A co-worked of mine convinced the company to buy them a MacBook (the first the company has ever purchased) to replace their aging Dell laptop. They have been doing more and more work on the company's iOS app and the aging Mac mini the company had purchased needed to replaced anyway. After having the laptop for just over a year, they called me upset as the laptop would no longer power on. After some gentle interrogati…

Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

I have a T460, and after typing on my work laptop (2015 MB Pro, by office policy), it feels heavenly going back to it at the end of the day. That keyboard is lightyears ahead of the Apple chiclet keys. I still fondly miss the actual scissor style keys of yesteryear Thinkpads, but I'll still take any Thinkpad keyboard over an Apple keyboard any time.

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Apple seems to focus more on the “can cost a lot” definition of “Pro”, and not the “get important work done” definition of “Pro”. The only correct course when offered a more-expensive and clearly-regressing machine is to not buy it (though I suspect Apple might actually have come out making more money this time around).

They need to also realize that if anyone is likely to accept reasonable trade-offs (like thickness) in favor of a better work machine, it’s “pros”! It is insane to regress at this price/feature level.

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What is "unixy" about brew or docker?

macOS is a BSD system. I think that was the point

I wish...

macOS is its own thing, where some functionality is provided by some very old versions of BSD tools. But using it feels pretty different from using a modern BSD variant.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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The Benjamin Button review of improvements in older Macs compared with newer ones: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the...

Guess this guy was pleased with his slower processor too.

Pretty asinine comment. Most heavy duty computing is done on cloud systems these days.

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Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

I want to like Thinkpads for their hardware quality, but I cannot get over Lenovo stuffing malware into their systems, even after they got caught. How can I be put at ease?

The malware was only found on the IdeaPad series (their consumer line). From reporting on it, the management team is separate from their business (Thinkpad) line, and the malware came from the 3rd party software packages that were included to subsidize the production of the low-end lines.

Those 3rd party packages are not a concern for the Thinkpad lines, since the higher business price point supports the lines without the need for subsidizing.

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Discontinuing MagSafe should also be on this list.

Being able to plug the AC adapter into either side of the laptop > MagSafe.

For me MagSafe > plugging into either side or any usbc so ️

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> they tried a Windows laptop and liked it This requires Windows to become likeable. I (and plenty of other people) will like Windows once it: * has a consistent UI instead of 3 control panels with icons and UI paradigms ranging from Windows 95 to Windows 10. * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in t…

> * ships with quality applications that don't try to eat the entire screen to display 2 lines of text (pretty much all "modern" built-in apps are a disaster in that regard) Windows never has shipped with a lot of built-in apps. Calc used to start slow, not an issue anymore. It is also open source now and seeing more and more features being added to it. > * has an App Store with decent, curated apps. The app store ha…

> Windows never has shipped with a lot of built-in apps.

But the ones it did ship with were pleasant to look at and were actually designed to get work done, not waste space (see Vista’s Windows Mail, Windows Fax & Scan, Windows Media Player, or even the legacy Control Panel).

Now it feels like the developers were given the task to fill up the entire screen, but no budget remained when it was time to actually develop features, so they increased font size & padding on the very little they had developed and called it a day.

> Calc used to start slow, not an issue anymore. It is also open source now and seeing more and more features being added to it.

It’s still the “new” calc which has the overhead of their awful UWP platform. I mean UWP makes sense for some stuff but a calculator? What was wrong with the legacy calc.exe? Not to mention the new calc has telemetry (yes, in a calculator, you heard me right) and they rejected the PR which removed it.

> free as in beer apps (Spotify) or free as in speech apps (Notepad++)

Seems like a perfect fit for the Store? They could have a team that reaches out to freeware/open source developers and packages their apps for the Store. If anything, that would help offset the amount of garbage that’s currently in there.

> I remember that the initial screen being shown is actually there for some good technical reason.

Mac and Linux (using LightDM) don’t seem to have that reason, so whatever it is, it’s more about laziness (not wanting to work around the supposed limitation)... oh and the fact they can use the lock screen to shill their sad search engine and/or ads.

> It, honestly, doesn't suck anymore.

Is the start menu fast? That’s another thing I noticed compared to Windows 7, the start menu on 10 has a slight delay while it was instant on Windows 7. That’s another issue when you’re used to pressing the Windows key and then typing whatever app you wanted.

> My Mac keeps asking me to sign me up for a bunch of paid cloud services though. That is annoying.

Haven’t noticed them myself (I am logged into my - free on the 5GB tier - iCloud account so maybe that’s why) but I heard Windows 10 trying to push OneDrive & Office 365... oh and I think they also try to push their browser if you attempted to install a third-party one.

> I've had Linux package managers run update and leave me with an unbootable system

Not surprising, but then again I’m not bitching about Linux (and nobody should) because it is free. However, when a paid, commercial OS like Windows 10 falls down to the same standard as Linux distributions (built by enthusiasts in their free time) you’ve gotta start asking questions.

Agreed about the hardware choices, but personally I’ve never felt the need for top of the line hardware anymore - my 12” MacBook (with dual core CPU and 8GB of RAM) is sufficient for my development work. In the rare cases I need to do CPU-intensive stuff (like compiling OpenWrt the other day) I get a beefy machine off a cloud provider and build it there - still more pleasant than dealing with Windows or Linux full-time.

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I know somebody who spilled a whole slurpee into a cheap desktop keyboard once and had it continue working fine. I would pay extra. To have a laptop like that for sure.

A desktop keyboard is a completely different story than a laptop. It can be much thicker and therefore more mechanical than a laptop keyboard. I don’t need my laptop to be slurpee-proof, and given the trade offs of laptop design I hope it isn’t. I’d think this would add significant heft to the device to be able to guarantee such performance.

Fair enough, but I'd just say that I don't mind an extra half inch if the device weighed the same. IMHO, 10 year old 13 inch laptops were plenty small, but I do appreciate the lower weights

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I just came back to a MacBook Pro 2018 after several years of experimenting with Windows machines. Based on this thread I am outlier – I enjoy using the trackpad, touch strip, and the keyboard seems fine. In the past five years I have used the following; Thinkpad x230, Thinkpad X1 carbon, Thinkpad x370 yoga, Thinkpad X1 Yoga, Surface Pro 3,4,5, Surface Laptop, Surface Book 1,2, and a hackintosh Thinkpad X230. I was a…

The T series still has the removable batteries, and the newer model years (T460 and up) have weights equivalent to the older X240 and below.

My T460 is within 0.5lbs (~0.25kg) of my work-issued 2015 MBP 13in, and from my quick searches, that seems to be generally consistent up to the modern T490 & 2018 MBP 13s.

I don't have a modern Thinkpad or MBP to compare, but my T460 still gets ~4-5hrs of normal usage, or 2-3hrs of heavy usage (strategy gaming like FTL or Rimworld, running VMs and python dev work, etc). My 2015 MBP 13 gets fairly similar times.

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