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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by beagle3 »

CmonDev wrote: post #567
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What about using it on anything that isn't windows or mac os? Isn't it kind of the point of web browsers to render webpages in a common open language instead of being a host for proprietary vendor specific plugins? What's the big advantage over standalone applications in that case anyway?

We are talking about enterprise which is 99% Windows.

Some enterprises are, perhaps most. But tablets and phones HAVE made a dent, and some places are BYOD even at the computer level.

e.g. Google is very far from 99% Windows - and though it is not your standard "enterprise", it is far from unique.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by shmerl »

marshray wrote: post #548
shmerl wrote: post #239

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> Microsoft started as a development tools company and they're still pretty damn good at it. Why are they so behind in C++11 support in their tools then? I think they are falling behind in their tools advantages already. With emergence of OpenGL debugger from Valve that will only escalate (at least on the gaming scene).

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2013/12/02/c-11-14-co... C++11 support is getting mostly there now and some C++14 is starting to come on line. Disclosure: Microsoft employee, but not in Visual Studio group.

It's improving, but slower than other major compilers. Basically until the standard is fully supported - it's still not there.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by bduerst »

gress wrote: post #543
bduerst wrote: post #542

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Nitpick: Not all monopolies are bad (utilities, transportation, etc.) The term you're thinking of is conglomerate, because Google has at least one competitor in every one of it's markets, which isn't a monopoly.

Nitpick: legally a monopoly doesn't require zero competitors.

> Legally

Only when getting fined for antitrust or monopolistic behavior, which doesn't mean it is a monopoly - only that a regulating body is trying to prevent it from eventually becoming one.

Definitively, mono-poly means one entity in the market.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

bduerst wrote: post #573
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Nitpick: legally a monopoly doesn't require zero competitors.

> Legally Only when getting fined for antitrust or monopolistic behavior, which doesn't mean it is a monopoly - only that a regulating body is trying to prevent it from eventually becoming one. Definitively, mono-poly means one entity in the market.

I understand the etymology, however using that as a basis for reasoning is unhelpful since it's the legal and economic consequences in real-life that actually mean something.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by JRobertson »

beagle3 wrote: post #537
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I have years of experience with WPF & Silverlight and agree that it has high learning curve, but once you know it there really isn't much of anything you can't to simpler, faster, and more elegantly than in HTML5, if you have a back end you need to interact with.

Except ... Some things only work in Silverlight, some only in WPF, and mixing both at the same time is a royal pain. There are a LOT of bugs and regressions in WPF4 that are "wontfix", were supposed to be fixed in 4.5 or 5.0, but that's never going to happen. (Google "wpf 3.5 4.0 bug wontfix" to see a very incomplete list of regressions. I've met some of these myself, and some that are not on the first two pages). An…

I agree that HTML5 is much more available. I wouldn't recommend a silver light app for any consumer based product. But I would have for enterprise applications if it was going to continue to be supported.

The lack of support killed off the language, not the language itself, IMO.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by cookiecaper »

Tmmrn wrote: post #556
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It's pretty hard to do it with a conventional OSI certified license. Anyone can rebuild your product and resell it or give it away. Red Hat tried something similar but CentOS still existed. Microsoft could come up with their own license that was "open source" but not "free software" by Stallman's definitions (ignoring here the people who've attempted to make these terms synonymous), which would allow people to change…

> Microsoft could come up with their own license that was "open source" but not "free software" The important question then would be: Could you legally port directx to *nix from this? If not, then what'd be the point?

Yes, and you could distribute it, as long as you had a checkbox prior to the download that said, "I assert I am a Windows license holder and entitled to utilize derivatives of its code", or a banner that printed a similar message after installation, instructing you to uninstall if you aren't a license holder.

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Post by mattlutze »

Tmmrn wrote: post #562
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Except that, I'd dare say most of the successes in the last 5-10 years, IMO, have not been merely "brute force" successes. XBox is a fantastic product, all things considered. Azure is a compelling competitor. It would be more accurate to say Microsoft is willing to plow money into a product long enough for that product development to get past the barriers to success that are inherit in a 130k person software company.

> XBox is a fantastic product, all things considered. Fantastic in what regard? Can I put my favorite linux distribution on it? Can I even write and release software for it under GPL? Without "applying" to microsoft and waiting for them to "approve" it? Maybe it's just me but I don't really see why I should buy hardware that is 100% controlled by microsoft when it can't do anything that a general purpose computer cou…

It's not a computer, it's a home theater / gaming machine. (With the exception of maybe the newest, which I haven't used yet) Why on Earth would you want to buy one to use as a general computing PC? That'd be dumb.

Frankly, it works very well for what it was designed to be. 4-5 years ago it provided an awfully intuitive platform to plug into your TV and stream video, tv shows and music from your home network or increasingly from the Internet. Almost no configuration necessary, rarely has issues, and fixes for those issues are pushed fast and often.

It's a home media PC for people that don't have the gumption or wherewithal to build one, and a much more pleasant interaction than many/most of the other HTPC distros out there. And really, almost no one wants to go through building a home server and HTPC, thus the continued advances in "smart" TVs and game-consoles-as-HTPCs.

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Post by tripzilch »

Touche wrote: post #509
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Because this would allow these millions of people to continue using this fork of XP rather than eventually buying a MS operating system.

But this is the attitude Microsoft needs to eliminate. The days of making money on operating systems is rapidly fading away. They already gave away Windows 8.1 as a free upgrade, so they're aware of it. An open source XP would get many hackers interested in Windows, something they desperately need.

> They already gave away Windows 8.1 as a free upgrade

It wasn't free--it took a couple of hours of my time!

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Post by angryasian »

stock_toaster wrote: post #340
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I could be wrong but isn't it by default osx doesn't allow you to install apps that aren't from the app store as well.

you are indeed wrong. By default apps need only to be signed. This is also easy to bypass (right click and select open while holding...option i think? not at workstation right now..) as well as easy to change globally (preferences).

I am not wrong. They put up a barrier to installing apps, so by default they do not allow it.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Tmmrn »

CmonDev wrote: post #567
Tmmrn wrote: post #558

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What about using it on anything that isn't windows or mac os? Isn't it kind of the point of web browsers to render webpages in a common open language instead of being a host for proprietary vendor specific plugins? What's the big advantage over standalone applications in that case anyway?

We are talking about enterprise which is 99% Windows.

Sure, but why make the commitment to build your whole thing windows-only when you are only a tiny bit away from actually doing it platform independent. Like, for having options in the future, and stuff.
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