Adria-chan likes jokes guys. Let's give her some
https://twitter.com/gatordri/status/314456657340010496
The PyCon Incident
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#572Again I would like to point out that to slander somebody, you must tell lies about them. Nobody is claiming that Adria is lying , even the person she's talking about. She is clearly not slandering anyone. (Please note: this does not mean that I'm taking a position in any way on this issue)
Except that the person most prominently featured in the photo (with his legible name badge) was not involved according to person who was fired. I haven't seen Adria, either on twitter or her blog, clarify which attendees in the photo were the ones making inappropriate comments. I would say Alex Reid may have been libeled by Adria. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5403250
I drew the same conclusion from reading the tweet and looking at the photograph, and reading her blog post reinforced that conclusion for me. Raising the issue with organizers is fine, putting it out onto Twitter, definitely not.
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#573Earlier quoted context omitted.
She didn't drag their reputations through anything, because I don't believe they were named. She only asked the PyCon organizers to do something about them via Twitter.
She did post a picture of them, wearing their companies t-shirt, resulting in one of the individuals to be released from his job.
I'm still not seeing the part where their reputations were publicly dragged through the mud. To do that, you would have to identify them, and the only people who know them are the ones who paid for their trip in order to represent them: their employers.
It's a shame he got fired, but I don't necessarily blame his company. I wouldn't want someone telling dick jokes and making me look bad doing it on my dime.
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#574Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior. I think we need to stop doing this bullshit in general. I'd much rather have our community check each other and shame each other on Twitter than having employers step in and decide that thing X or thing Y is not okay for their employees to say in their personal capacity at a conference or on Twitter. As far as I've heard, Adr…
If I understood correctly, Adria is not another employee, but has the role of developer evangelist. In that role, your twitter account is very much an extension of your job.
In that light, I do not understand how this woman is still employed.
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/6039856858
Who exactly is she "evangelizing" for? All developers? I find that really hard to believe given her extremely public politics.
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#575This is a rather bizarre situation. Still, I visited Sendgrid's website to learn more about them. Click on their "We are hiring" link and scrolled down. What did I find? A sexual joke. On their very own company website. See for yourself: http://i.imgur.com/uWc8P39.png And before anyone says anything, the image depicts a person photocopying their genitals. It does not show gender, but the act is quite clear. Not somet…
Oh yeah? Well they have a black woman on the team, so they can't be sexist or racist! /s
Consulting evangelist. :)
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#576Someone on reddit dug up an old tweet from her. "Black people CANNOT be racist against White people. Racism is a position of the oppressor who has the power" https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/6039856858 Words fail me. (I realize that it's unrelated but it provides some insight into her mentality).
This accurately reflects a particular academic school of thought. But this whole discussion is gnarly enough already without further complicating it by adding race issues into the mix. I'm not prepared to parse that without understanding the context in which the remark was made, and I have no intention of digging through a conversation from 2009 to do so. I can't help feeling you went on a fishing expedition here.
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#577Earlier quoted context omitted.
> women want to be equal, but they want to keep certain privileges. What privilege is this that she wants to keep? Women are already bombarded with sex jokes. The fact it's such an outrage she spoke up is testament to that.
There isn't an outrage because she spoke up, there's an outrage because she publicly identified and shamed them over something so minor. It should have gone no further then her contacting the event staff and how they resolved it
So, I'm wondering what world you all live in where posting a photograph of someone with no name or identity attached is "publicly shaming" them.
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#579Warning regarding the comments here: r/MensRights has recently taken an interest in HN regarding this case. A recent HN thread on this same topic is linked on the homepage[1], and there's been discussion of HN in particular here[2]. There's an agenda being pushed. Furthermore, the above PasteBin alleges the forking innuendo was pure fabrication in an attempt to paint Adria as a liar; the full story right from the sou…
/r/Mensrights is a cesspool right up there with SRS. It's best to ignore both of them as much as possible and be wary of brand new accounts on this thread.
I've seen a recent upswing of accounts created just to troll one-off topics making me wonder if new accounts should be read-only for the first week or some such.
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#580Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences? I have never heard of such ridiculous drama at C++ conferences for example. There seems to be a curious link between programming languages and culture. I mean people interested in Python can obviously start a major drama over a harmless juvenile comment like that. I remember seeing Andrei Alexandrescu (of C++ and D fame) joke about the double meaning of the t…
There are less women at C++ conferences.