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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by polack »

id00 wrote: post #490
kopirgan wrote: post #476

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Can you explain? What sort of surveillance that affects a casual visitor?!

Here is my experience in the center of Shanghai, very subjective of course: - I can't pay with my credit/debit cards there so I need to get their alipay pay app. There is KYC required to upload my government ID. - We stayed in a short rent apartment, so we had to temporarily register with government. Of course that requires uploading photos of me, my kids, and all our IDs - with a lot of apps banned there, you are es…

> - I can't pay with my credit/debit cards there so I need to get their alipay pay app. There is KYC required to upload my government ID.

It's not so odd that the Chinese choose to use their domestic payment system over a US one. You probably needed a government ID to get your credit/debit card too (at least when you opened your bank account).

I'm not saying the Chinese surveillance system isn't horrible, but the western ones are catching up quickly with the adoption of Flock cameras everywhere and Palantir analyzing every bit of digital footprint you leave. Is there anyone who think there isn't a non-negliable risk that people will walk around with a "jew star" marking in the US in the coming 5-10 years?

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Post by robocat »

pdimitar wrote: post #486
azan_ wrote: post #376

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> This is likely mostly nullified by the consumerism hellscape that's being forced on us i.e. stuff lasts less time and we have to buy more often. Actually good quality stuff is more affordable than ever. People just don't want to pay for quality and things that last.

I live in country where shrewd salesmen know that people like me would pay extra for quality so they sell me crappy quality still, just for 3x the price. So yeah, I started resorting to asking acquaintances with big families and also LLMs to desperately try to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's not impossible and it's indeed doable, just not very quick.

The assumption is that price is supposed to reflect quality. Unfortunately as you say, too often price is a weak signal. And price often signals current fads/fashions rather than quality.

Non-monetary costs are often a better indicator because good quality does cost you more: more time, more expertise, more judgement, more homework.

Plus we usually have narrow needs, which are hard to match. Price reflects a single average market scale, not how a product/service fits our individual conditions.

Finding the right compromises is hard work.

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Post by Duralias »

vanviegen wrote: post #565
Valakas_ wrote: post #560

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The comparison with the internet is not valid, and I can immediately give you one reason. I was there (3000 years ago) when the internet was in its infancy. When the dot com bubble was going on, the internet was a fringe thing for most people. People didn't really use it, didn't know how to use it, didn't trust it (for purchases, for information). The investors were still right, but they were too ahead of their time,…

> Demand is higher than supply. Only when the product is being given away for free or sold way below cost. It's still unclear how large the actual market is.

If the research about it making people reliant and dumber is true, then they can probably do some serious price increases before people actually consider stopping to use them, but of course that would be in the future when the entire market in general stops subsidizing the cost.

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Post by [deleted] »

andrepd wrote: post #387
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #343

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The typical middle class family 50 years ago lived in a house you’d consider small and dingy, ate food you’d consider poverty meals, and drove a car you’d consider a poorly assembled death trap. Ask your parents or grandparents how often they got to have real butter growing up.

That's total bullshit. Middle class families in 1976 did NOT live in smaller houses than today, and certainly did NOT eat "poverty meals"... What on earth are you even talking about. Especially silly that you mention housing because if there's one thing that is absolutely fucked for the middle class of the 2020s is housing.

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Post by carlosjobim »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #475
carlosjobim wrote: post #463

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New markets are created all the time, as new products and services become viable. So one-to-two-person businesses don't necessarily compete with larger businesses for the same customers. And that's why both can have rising revenue.

None of that matters, if the populace lacks the purchasing power to sustain these “new markets”. It also assumes, that incumbents won’t enter the new markets, and acquire/squeeze/kill the new players.

A new market is made when a product or service which previously was too expensive becomes affordable to more people due to innovation. There's thousands of example, many of them in your own life.

But you are decided. Being negative is what you have chosen and there's plenty of people who will back you up because they are also afraid.

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Post by l23k4 »

kopirgan wrote: post #523
throwaway2037 wrote: post #515

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Added surveillance bonus(!) at Mainland Chinese airports: When doing international to international transfers, you are required to have your passport scanned. I have never seen this in free countries. You just wait in an international terminal (no customs, etc) and take the next flight. I am curious if CCP will require HK Airport to change their rules/procedures in the future.

In Singapore Changi, the arrival and departure are at same gate so you can just sit and wait for next flight. Passport is checked before you get into next flight at the gate where they check your boarding pass as well..right there your bags are also scanned (at each gate or group of few gates) Just transited in HKG, the gates are same but boarding at different levels. So you clear the security at a common area, get s…

Big difference between airline employee checking whether or not you're the ticket holder and the government checking every passenger for warrants.

The false positive rate when doing this via passenger records alone is so high that airport law enforcement will generally only go out of their way to actively look for particularly interesting people.

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Post by k4rli »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #279

They price hiked my existing CCX13 from 16€ to 43€ - that is a 2.6x price increase (!). Technically they didn't increase it yet, for as long as I don't order a new one or rescale (up/down) they let me use the old price. This is insane (it is a cloud server, with 2 dedicated cores and 8 GB RAM).

On netcup I'm paying only 9€ for better specs. AMD 4 cores and 8GB ram. Worth looking at their offers/deals section.

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Post by rendaw »

andix wrote: post #262
amoshebb wrote: post #260

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I’m not a business person, but they’re already at the “hundreds of thousands of servers” scale, what about the 41st data center be organizationally far more expensive than the first 40?

Simple example: Pizza delivery service. The company runs very well, customers are happy, demand increases. At some point the demand gets so high, that they need to buy a second car for deliveries and a second pizza oven. They look at the numbers and see the risk of making less profit than before, if they expand. Especially if demand decreases at some point, instead of growing further. So they decide to just raise the…

GP's point is this isn't the 2nd car, this is the 41st car. If they had 1 car it'd be a 2x increase. If they have 40 cars, the only way the 41st car would lead to a 2x increase is if that single car cost as much as 40 other cars.

That's what the post you're responding to was asking.

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Post by jeltz »

RichardCA wrote: post #370
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #343

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The typical middle class family 50 years ago lived in a house you’d consider small and dingy, ate food you’d consider poverty meals, and drove a car you’d consider a poorly assembled death trap. Ask your parents or grandparents how often they got to have real butter growing up.

I'll just add... Being able to eat pork without cooking it to death for fear of trichinosis is a recent development. Also, the old movies where someone tries to commit suicide by sticking their head in an oven. That was coal gas and we don't heat homes with it anymore.

Other than coal gas being not very efficient use of coal what was so bad about it? Stockholm still had coal gas in the early 2000s and accidental carbon monoxide poisoning was very rare. Of course the alternatives are better, but only marginally so.
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