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Post by tomschwiha »

noxvilleza wrote: post #437
civvv wrote: post #294

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Yeah, I host three small-scale game servers for an indie-game, all out of pocket. 50-80 players hop on every day and the community is super nice. Its been possible because the price has been €16 per instance, but with these new prices, it will absolutely not be possible anymore. I imagine a lot of small game server communities will meet the same fate now, since Hetzner has been the go-to for this kind of stuff.

I run a few stats site for a video game, and the overall hosting right now is ~€220 on Hetzner for a AX51-NVMe + AX61-NVMe + some extra SSDs + HDDs --- so that's the same price as just a AX42-1 in the new pricing model which is insane. If one of the servers goes down I'd need to likely shut down one of the projects or massively change the architecture.

What do you mean with if the server goes down? As far as I know Hetzner will replace tje hardware for free: "Support services include the free replacement of defective hardware."

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Post by jaza »

alfanick wrote: post #102
ulfw wrote: post #81

Everything is getting stupider by the day. Tech is killing itself until this idiotic bubble bursts. Then we'll be in a decade of drought again like 2001

It's kinda awesome, the DDR prices will go extremely down (lower than before the bubble), and it will be spring time for self-hosted opensource models, cause people will be able to afford the hardware. We just need to wait for the peak.

Agreed. We enjoyed a decade or more or cheap surplus hardware sitting in data centres, after the dot com crash. Rinse and repeat after the AI bubble bursts in x time from now (my forecast is x = 2-3 years).

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Post by skissane »

ryandvm wrote: post #280

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> exponential acceleration in wealth inequality (world's first trillionaire anyone?)

How much did Musk becoming a trillionaire move the US national (or global) Gini coefficient of wealth?

If wealth inequality is significantly worsening due to AI, the wealth Gini will noticeably go up. I don’t know whether that’s happening; what I do know is individual extremes are very noticeable, but have limited impact on the big picture.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

carlosjobim wrote: post #463
vkou wrote: post #397

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Which is only relevant if one of the following two things happens: 1. Consumption goes up. (It's not going up. 40 hours at your job buys you less shit today than it did 3 years ago.) 2. Mega-corps start losing marketshare and revenue to this avalanche of new one-to-two-person businesses. (They aren't. Their revenues are climbing, which implies that consolidation is what's happening, not diversification.) Your theory…

New markets are created all the time, as new products and services become viable. So one-to-two-person businesses don't necessarily compete with larger businesses for the same customers. And that's why both can have rising revenue.

None of that matters, if the populace lacks the purchasing power to sustain these “new markets”. It also assumes, that incumbents won’t enter the new markets, and acquire/squeeze/kill the new players.

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Post by kopirgan »

id00 wrote: post #455
flossly wrote: post #410

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Upsides will be seen into societies that are not capital-above-govt, but govt-above-capital. China for instance: they will show advantages of AI (amongst other technologies). Sure they've got surveillance there, but there's also surveillance in the west. In China you have clean streets and low crime, while in the west it's surveillance without tangible benefit for the common people.

I could barely exist in Shanghai when I visited it for a week earlier this year. The surveillance is suffocating. With all my disdain towards the way the West is going, the level of control and freedom can't be compared. Especially if you've ever experienced freedom taken from you (unfortunately, I have).

Can you explain? What sort of surveillance that affects a casual visitor?!

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Post by magicalhippo »

Aissen wrote: post #67
drewg123 wrote: post #59

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The AI bubble has increased the prices of nand and ram by a factor of 4, so a 3x increase seems reasonable. Companies that are not big enough to have long term contracts with ram/nand vendors have been hit really, really hard by this.

It's a bit higher than 4 now.

I almost pulled the trigger on a 2x64GB 6400MHz CL36 kit for about $650 last August. It's been insane since the spike happened, but went down somewhat last month. I just checked and it has gone up $1500 since then to $5000.

So that's over 7.5x what it was when I (sadly) did not buy it. Totally not kicking myself for dragging my heels on that purchase...

Cheapest 2x48GB kit I can find here now is $1500, yay. That's 5200MHz CL48 stuff.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

azan_ wrote: post #376
pdimitar wrote: post #327

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This is likely mostly nullified by the consumerism hellscape that's being forced on us i.e. stuff lasts less time and we have to buy more often. Still a win but not as big as many are selling it.

> This is likely mostly nullified by the consumerism hellscape that's being forced on us i.e. stuff lasts less time and we have to buy more often. Actually good quality stuff is more affordable than ever. People just don't want to pay for quality and things that last.

> Actually good quality stuff is prohibitively expensive for the non-ultra rich, and the rest of the quality stuff is increasingly being hollowed out by private equity and rapidly declining quality. People just can’t afford to pay for quality and things that last due to price gouging, wage stagnation, and increased cost-of-living.

There, fixed that for you.

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Post by kopirgan »

AI is no different from machine doing what took people earlier. In fact on the scale of many other things (spinning Jenny that could replace dozens, for one) this is probably benign. Because it also multiplies costs. Earlier innovations not only did it faster with less manpower, they did it cheaper too!

We are still around, enjoying fairly decent lifestyles for the most part, if you take away effect of politics, governance etc.

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Post by pdimitar »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #400
pdimitar wrote: post #333

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> Concretely: if you can do 90% of your work with AI, someone else can also do that same work That's the part that is not true. Prompting and guard-rails and generally harness engineering do matter a lot lately. Seen it first-hand multiple times, especially after I used Fable 5 for a week.

How long does it take to learn all that then? Can't imagine it would take that long.. At least compared to, eg, becoming an experienced Rust or C programmer. And if it does take that long, why is it so great anyway? Making labor hyper-interchangeable is kinda like the whole pitch here. It's two steps away from b2b SaaS labor if the PR is to be believed. Maybe you can say you're an elite prompter or whatever, but it a…

You are kind of ranting here and your point seem to mostly be "but we should not do harness engineering at all" which I agree with btw.

I am describing the reality we are currently in. If I don't do some harness engineering then my bots crap on the floor and I start questioning whether I should delegate to them at all and if me doing it manually wouldn't still take less time.

And you are describing a desired reality. I sympathize, mind you, it's just not the one we are currently living in.

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