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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by happymellon »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #326
pc86 wrote: post #198

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> you have a product that is predatory towards you and you refuse to change your ways. And honestly it seems like you refuse to learn even the smallest bit about human nature. Very, very few people want to "learn" how to use their computer. Walk into a room of 100 graphic designers who have spend the last 20 years using Photoshop exclusively and put GIMP in front of them and and at least 98 of them are going to say w…

> Very, very few people want to "learn" how to use their computer. I see this point being missed over and over again in this thread. To people like you and I the computer is often the entire point. To normal people it's a tool. It exists to get the job done so they can move onto something else. The solution that requires the least effort is objectively the best solution. Most of the time that still means Windows, and…

If all the crap that people suffer through, and make YouTube channels dedicated to about how much Windows is hell, is not enough to get them to look elsewhere then "fixing" other operating systems won't get them to look.

They aren't looking and they aren't interested in looking. At this point they have no one else to blame.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

alexb_ wrote: post #120
Ranxer wrote: post #104

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Better yet: don't pick any poison at all -- both System76 and Tuxedo Computers (as examples, sometimes you can buy a latop without an OS and save the money, same goes for PCs) offer laptops with Linux installed: no Microslop tax, and hardware that's guaranteed to work with OSS.

Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Especially because nearly everyone has some niche thing they like, some 5% that isn't covered by the FOSS solutions, that only a niche Windows program can actually do correctly. And that doesn't even get into gaming.

Not even that! Most people want a computer that lets them get the tasks they want to do done, in the way that uses the lowest effort.

If they want to edit a photo, and they're used to Photoshop, then Photoshop will be lower effort than a competitor just as Photoshop is lower effort than darkroom editing film. Competitors have to be lower effort or offer significantly better features than incumbents. Product cost is a part of the effort needed to use that product, but far from the entire thing.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by autoexec »

saidnooneever wrote: post #524
autoexec wrote: post #314

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> but that analogy carries a lot of real-world weight that doesn't map cleanly to software decisions It's imperfect. We have way more choices in domestic partners than we do with operating systems but I think there are a lot of similarities though too. User-hostile software like Windows is intentionally designed to develop dependence and learned helplessness in users. Windows will gaslight you. Microsoft will victim…

saying victims of domestic violence should chose better is also victim blaming ma dude.

> saying victims of domestic violence should chose better is also victim blaming

You're the only one saying that, not me.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by ferongr »

deaux wrote: post #416
nicoburns wrote: post #380

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> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

None of those. All we need is enforcing laws that are already on the books. Antitrust laws. Break up big tech.

Breaking up Apple would be glorious. Great hardware without an Orwellian OS on top.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by 9dev »

baal80spam wrote: post #473
9dev wrote: post #49

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You're probably an iCloud services user. Try a Mac without an iCloud account - it's nagging you pretty heavily to set it up, get an iCloud+ subscription, use TV and Music and Game Center subscriptions, and so on.

> You're probably an iCloud services user. I don't even know what iCloud is, and I have seen zero ads. I don't understand such comments.

Oh please. Unless you’ve never opened system settings and got the device with a user account pre-configured for you, you have been exposed to iCloud several times.

Does it make one especially edgy to pretend to use an Apple device while never having heard the name of their single cloud offering? Whatever floats your boat, mate.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by baal80spam »

9dev wrote: post #575
baal80spam wrote: post #473

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> You're probably an iCloud services user. I don't even know what iCloud is, and I have seen zero ads. I don't understand such comments.

Oh please. Unless you’ve never opened system settings and got the device with a user account pre-configured for you, you have been exposed to iCloud several times. Does it make one especially edgy to pretend to use an Apple device while never having heard the name of their single cloud offering? Whatever floats your boat, mate.

Correct. My device is issued to me by my employer. I never owned a Mac in my life.

I admit that my comment was a bit over the top. But all I know about iCloud is that it's similar to OneDrive. Never used it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by JollySharp0 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #541
JollySharp0 wrote: post #474

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The title is supposed to be provocative and hyperbolic. Much of what is provocative and hyperbolic could be considered to be in poor taste, that is the entire point. The guy is an ex-Darknet Vendor and regularly interacts still with people that build ransomware, hack the US government, sell online drugs and he is quite pleasant compared to these people.

> The guy is an ex-Darknet Vendor and regularly interacts still with people that build ransomware, hack the US government, sell online drugs and he is quite pleasant compared to these people. It’s _almost_ as if we don’t use “people that build ransomware, hack the US government, sell online drugs” as a baseline for “pleasant”.

The point I was making that the norms for many of us isn't this behaviour of everyone is walking on eggshells. I find it infuriating that people will get bent out shape if they hear the truth. I prefer it when people talk plainly and speak how they feel. He is unfront and honest, which I appreciate much more than a snake in the grass (which is how many people behave in spaces where language and behaviour is tightly controlled).

I find it honestly ridiculous that people are complaining about provocative & hyperbolic title, to the point where I believe they are concern trolling.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by dsign »

The solution for "Windows" is to use the current US derangement to convince the EU, China and even the Russians that, as a matter of national security, it's in their best interest to come to the negotiation table and create an international organization that "adopts" WineHQ[^1] and any other projects that focus on a Win32 compatibility layer. It can be financed with increased sales taxes for any PC software distributor that doesn't natively support Linux.

[^1]: https://www.winehq.org/

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by JollySharp0 »

bigbuppo wrote: post #564
JollySharp0 wrote: post #429

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The guy was a Darknet Vendor and has been to Jail/Prison in the US.

So when he looks at Windows 11 and calls it something bad, you should probably pay attention.

He is someone that cares about operation and information security. Modern Consumer operating systems basically throw all of that out of the window. On top of that he hate Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

tim333 wrote: post #481
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #335

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It’s just office. Make office work and people will happily leave in droves.

Apparently you can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwDbERjm0yA That one's using PlayOnLinux. Not tried it myself but that's been one of the blocks to me using linux as a day to day thing. Although I'm on mac and don't find it too bad.

That is Office 2013, or a 13 year old software.

Play on Lennox is just non-free wine. And no offense to the wine people, but it seems like perhaps they have hit a wall on what would be Windows 10 translation.

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