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Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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I just had what you might probably describe as the opposite experience. I was sat at a very important all hands meeting by our senior tech leader with about 100 people or so .who was mandating an AI goal for every employee on workday, he basically says that “if we all do not learn to adapt to AI, we will all get left behind” , and he had presented how to utilise spec driven development. He opened up the room for Q&A…

I understand your sentiment. I personally would never use a textbook for anything code related, if there's no proper documentation online then I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole, haha.

However, even though I've never worked with CassandraDB, I feel pretty confident that I could do it with Claude Code. Not just "do it for me", but more like "I have done a lot of database migrations in my time, but haven't worked with CassandraDB in particular. Can you explain to me the complexities of this migration, and come up with a plan for doing it, given the specifics of this project?"

That question alone is already a massive improvement over a few years ago. I don't feel like I was using my "critical thinking muscles" when I tried to figure out how the hell to get hadoop to run on windows, that was just an exercise in frustration as none of the documentation matched the actual experience I was getting. Doing it together with Claude Code would be so much easier, because it'll say something like "Oh yeah this is because you still need to install XYZ, you can do that by running this line here: ...".

Now I'm not saying that Claude Code, and agentic in general, isn't taking away some of my critical thinking: it really is. But it also allows me to learn new skills much more quickly. It feels more like pair programming with someone who is a better programmer than me, but a much worse architect. The trick is to keep challenging yourself to take an active role in the process and not just tell it to "do it", I think.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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I started at 16, 44M now, but also remember all that COM stuff, writing shell extensions for Windows 95 and stuff. And reading about it in the press (MSDN Magazine?). It was the new AI then ;)

I think you really hit the jackpot because you got a full career out of it, saw an amazing evolution etc. So you can hopefully enjoy the ride now being more as a spectator without the fear of being personally affected by job displacement. Enjoy the retirement!

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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> LLM watch-six-agents-writing-and-you-proofreading gave me so much existential crisis and depression this is extremely bizarre because I’m 53, been coding since 12, and it has had literally the exact opposite effect on me, I find it tremendously exciting, like riding a snowmobile instead of manually cross-country skiing but I do think that if you’re not ready to work like this, you may need to consider a career pivo…

Coding since 11. Using AI makes me completely lethargic. I really don't know how to fill the minutes that AI takes to write code. Maybe if AI gets faster I will be able to enjoy it. That said, like many people here I have invested quite some time in becoming a skilled and experienced coder, so there is no denying that this whole AI craze makes me feel like something is taken away from me.

I live with a feeling of nonaccomplishment, never having taken a project to completion thanks to my shitty executive function. The AI craze has robbed me of any hope that I might still meaningfully* achieve this in my career.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> LLM watch-six-agents-writing-and-you-proofreading gave me so much existential crisis and depression this is extremely bizarre because I’m 53, been coding since 12, and it has had literally the exact opposite effect on me, I find it tremendously exciting, like riding a snowmobile instead of manually cross-country skiing but I do think that if you’re not ready to work like this, you may need to consider a career pivo…

Coding since 11. Using AI makes me completely lethargic. I really don't know how to fill the minutes that AI takes to write code. Maybe if AI gets faster I will be able to enjoy it. That said, like many people here I have invested quite some time in becoming a skilled and experienced coder, so there is no denying that this whole AI craze makes me feel like something is taken away from me.

two AIs -- I use Claude Code and Kimi CLI -- I got them to build an agent relay so they can communicate with each other (one plans, the other reviews the plan; one builds, the other reviews the build) -- while one is working on one thing, I'll be chatting and exploring with the other one … they can build anything in any language so if you are a skilled and experienced code you should be able to guide a pair of coding agents no problem.

Otoh -- if there is this bifurcation among coders (one group super-excited, one group depressed and angst-ridden) then maybe we should be trying to figure out why people are reacting the way they are. Can you explain more about your situation? What do you code? Do you have hobby projects? Do you have free time? Etc.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> LLM watch-six-agents-writing-and-you-proofreading gave me so much existential crisis and depression this is extremely bizarre because I’m 53, been coding since 12, and it has had literally the exact opposite effect on me, I find it tremendously exciting, like riding a snowmobile instead of manually cross-country skiing but I do think that if you’re not ready to work like this, you may need to consider a career pivo…

Coding since 11. Using AI makes me completely lethargic. I really don't know how to fill the minutes that AI takes to write code. Maybe if AI gets faster I will be able to enjoy it. That said, like many people here I have invested quite some time in becoming a skilled and experienced coder, so there is no denying that this whole AI craze makes me feel like something is taken away from me.

The trick is to have 3 terminals with Claude Code open at the same time. You won’t be able to follow more. Reviewing the stuff or plans written is harder than telling them to write it.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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As a principal engineer I feel completely let down. I've spent decades building up and accumulating expert knowledge and now that has been massively devalued. Any idiot can now prompt their way to the same software. I feel depressed and very unmotivated and expect to retire soon. Talk about a rug pull! My experience is that people who weren't very good at writing software are the ones now "most excited" to "create" w…

The best programmers I know are the ones most excited about it. The mediocre programmers who are toxic gate keepers seem to be the ones most upset by it.

Yeah right. Only mediocre people like Rob Pike would be a toxic gate keeper.

The reality is that in the theft of Chardet at least 2000 people supported Mark Pilgrim and almost no one supported the three programmers who constantly blog about AI and try to reprogram people.

Incidentally, everyone who unironically uses the word "gate keeper" is mediocre.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#577

To those of you reading the comment section thinking something like the following: >"Wait a moment! Being forced to use AI gave me depression, and I'm really aware of the fact that it's only going to become better and better the more developers are using it, to the point where the 10 job openings of yesterday are 1 job opening tomorrow. Why are people so excited", remember this: You are reading HN, the survivorship b…

OP has his retirement prepared. That might increase their perception of the upsides and negate some of the downsides of adopting AI.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Is it only possible to have success with paid versions of these LLMs? Google's "Ask AI" and ChatGPT's free models seem to be consistently bad to the point where I've mostly stopped using them. I've lost track of how many times it was like "yes, you're right, I've looked at the code you've linked and I see it is using a newer version than what I had access to. I've thoroughly scanned it and here's the final solution t…

I personally didn't get good results until I got the $100/mo claude plan (and still often hit $180/mo from spending extra credits) It's not that the model is better than the cheaper plans, but experimenting with and revising prompts takes dozens of iterations for me, and I'm often multiple dollars in when I realize I need to restart with a better plan. It also takes time and experimentation to get a good feel for con…

I bought the $200 plan so after my extras started routinely exceeding that. Harsh.

But, let me suggest that you stop thinking about planning and design as "prompts". I work with it to figure out what I want to do and have it write a spec.md. Then I work with it to figure out the implementation strategy and have it write implementation.md. Then I tell it I am going to give those docs to a new instance and ask it to write all the context it will need with instructions about the files and have it write handoff.md.

By giving up on the paradigm of prompts, I turned my focus to the application and that has been very productive for me.

Good luck.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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I feel this so, so much. It is a very exciting time. I have had a very specific goal in mind and I could work out large parts on my own. But there is a lot that I didn't have any basis or time to build expertise on. Using Claude Code to fill out those gaps and educate me along the way has meant I've gotten little sleep in the last two months. And I managed to make the thing I was envisioning: https://gridpaper.org/ex…

Nice project. That must have been fun to make. Congratulations.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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To those of you reading the comment section thinking something like the following: >"Wait a moment! Being forced to use AI gave me depression, and I'm really aware of the fact that it's only going to become better and better the more developers are using it, to the point where the 10 job openings of yesterday are 1 job opening tomorrow. Why are people so excited", remember this: You are reading HN, the survivorship b…

Honestly, software engineering as a career only went down hill for me from when I began to when I retired. (And I hesitate to even air that view in front of others that are already in the field because I am a kind of Pollyanna and don't want to foment bad vibes.) But since I retired a few years ago it was clearly not LLMs that precipitated the decline of my enjoyment of the profession. Instead it was the slow erosion…

Do you still code? What’s your take on working with LLMs and agents? Does it reignite the same spark OP is talking about?
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