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Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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To those of you reading the comment section thinking something like the following:

>"Wait a moment! Being forced to use AI gave me depression, and I'm really aware of the fact that it's only going to become better and better the more developers are using it, to the point where the 10 job openings of yesterday are 1 job opening tomorrow. Why are people so excited", remember this:

You are reading HN, the survivorship bias and groupthink is just as high as any other self-calibrating online community ("upvote if you agree" -> self-calibration of the popular opinion), and there's an extremely high survivorship bias because people who are into this LLM craze have a higher probability of browsing HN.

As for you, OP, I have no idea why age is a factor to consider to this. I'm 45, and while I programmed as a hobby since I was 16 I turned it into a career during COVID, and all the pressure cooking LLM watch-six-agents-writing-and-you-proofreading gave me so much existential crisis and depression that I seriously can't even get myself writing anything "over the weekend".

I hope to God the next generation of wonder kids that is the equivalent of the 12 year old discovering how to bent the computer to do what they want it to do enjoy arguing with multiple agents concurrently back and forth.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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I can understand how a technology, this one or any others, can be a fun and interesting tool, a creative one even, but a few things bother me a lot about it which all can be summarized as what Ivan Illich called "Tools for Conviality".

Simply put, we delegate a freedom of use and cognitive power to complex tools and organizations that control and shapes them. One can argue that it's kind of the same if I decide to code any kind of programs the 'old' way, especially using native language, albeit their exist toolchains and OSes that are open source and thus technically free of monolithic take over.

Furthermore those LLMs tools seem to me like the transhumanists cybernetic enhancements of cyberpunk dystopia, splitting Humanity between those of us that would be able to afford them and the others that are left off the competitive arena. Again, an issue that were still there to some degree in a capitalist economy but where the real entry to programming was just a computer and an internet connection to some extent, a way more democratic and affordable goal than having a subscription to a Big Bad Corporation owning everything about you and your creation, where 'free' non local models are not a real answer here either.

Any new technology have some good potential, sure, it's obvious even. I don't think the path they naturally lead to are always the best we could take though, and I hope we wake up to the fact our society are nothing short of democratic* when the economical entities that govern us is nothing but.

* Well, I don't even think we could call our political systems democratic without any kind of random selection anyways. A pastiche of one at best.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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COM !! I remember that was the biggest idea that I learned and thought if I can get it right, I will be the best programmer ever. And to learn, I bought my most expensive book by Dale Rogerson if I remember the author's name correctly. But it was a different time and soon everyone was talking about Java. Just nostalgia and I remember my past.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#515

Without experience, programming with AI (vibe coding, I guess) can be compared to being a rat in maze... You work your way through a project, but the dead-ends exact a high cost in terms time, attention, and ultimately cost. With experience, you see these dead ends before they have a chance to take hold and you know when and how to adjust course. It's literally like one poster said: coding with some buddies without e…

I have always had ADHD and as a consequence have a decades long backlog of things that I want to do “some day”, and Claude just removes all the friction from going from idea to execution. I am also a software engineer, so basically for me it is like having a team of developers available 24 hours a day to build anything I want to design. I have built and thrown away a half dozen projects ideas and gotten one into prod…

are you trying openclaw?

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

#516

I’m 63 (almost 64), and I’m rewriting an app (server and native client), that took a couple of years to originally write. Been working for about a month, and I’m halfway through. The server’s done (but I’m sure that I’ll still need to tweak and fix bugs), and I’m developing the communication layer and client model, now. It took seven months to write the first version of the server, and about six months to write a les…

The isolation of being a retired programmer is a real bitch. I think back to the days of a few young programmers with me at the whiteboard, the fast back and forth, the satisfaction of seeing ideas come together. I really missed that.

I'm not allowed to feel like AI is an adequate replacement for fear that the critics will tell me I'm not healthy but, between you and me, as much as I miss the camaraderie of real humans, being able to brainstorm with an entity that knows pretty much everything and is able to execute my will without complaint is not bad.

And, it's nice to have someone, something, to talk to about technical ideas. It's a great time to be alive.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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post #513

Like a "spontaneous" public testimonial that someone converted to $ideology. This is likely fake and an ad. In case it isn't, consider treatment for AI psychosis.

This guy created this account three minutes ago in order to drag on this post. Creep.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Is it only possible to have success with paid versions of these LLMs? Google's "Ask AI" and ChatGPT's free models seem to be consistently bad to the point where I've mostly stopped using them. I've lost track of how many times it was like "yes, you're right, I've looked at the code you've linked and I see it is using a newer version than what I had access to. I've thoroughly scanned it and here's the final solution t…

It depends. Google's AI that gloms on to search is not particularly good for programming. I don't use any OpenAI stuff but talking to those that do, their models are not good for programming compared to equivalent ones from Anthropic or google. I have good success with free gemini used either via the web UI or with aider. That can handle some simple software dev. The new qwen3.5 is pretty good considering its size, t…

> But, this also all depends on the experience level of the developer. If you are gonna vibe code,

Where I find it struggles is when I prompt it with things like this:

> I'm using the latest version of Walker (app launcher on Linux) on Arch Linux from the AUR, here is a shell script I wrote to generate a dynamic dmenu based menu which gets sent in as input to walker. This is working perfectly but now I want to display this menu in 2 columns instead of 1. I want these to be real columns, not string padding single columns because I want to individually select them. Walker supports multi-column menus based on the symbol menu using multiple columns. What would I need to change to do this? For clarity, I only want this specific custom menu to be multi-column not all menus. Make the smallest change possible or if this strategy is not compatible with this feature, provide an example on how to do it in other ways.

This is something I tried hacking on for an hour yesterday and it led me down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of incorrect information, commands that didn't exist, flags that didn't exist and so on.

I also sometimes have oddball problems I want to solve where I know awk or jq can do it pretty cleanly but I don't really know the syntax off the top of my head. It fails so many times here. Once in a while it will work but it involves dozens of prompts and getting a lot of responses from it like "oh, you're right, I know xyz exists, sorry for not providing that earlier".

I get no value from it if I know the space of the problem at a very good level because then I'd write it unassisted. This is coming at things from the perspective of having ~20 years of general programming experience.

Most of the problems I give it are 1 off standalone scripts that are ~100-200 lines or less. I would have thought this is the best case scenario for it because it doesn't need to know anything beyond the scope of that. There's no elaborate project structure or context involving many files / abstractions.

I don't think I'm cut out for using AI because if I paid for it and it didn't provide me the solution I was asking for then I would expect a refund in the same way if I bought a hammer from the store and the hammer turned into spaghetti when I tried to use it, that's not what I bought it for.

Re: Tell HN: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code has re-ignited a passion

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Hey, I'm nearly 80 years old. I haven't written a line of code in over 10 years. But I'm coding now, with the help of Claude & Gemini, and having a great time. Each block of Python or Applescript that they generate for me is a much better learning tool than a book - I'm going through the code line by line and researching everything. And I'm also learning how to deal with LLMs and their strengths & weaknesses. Correct…

You are an inspiration. Reading this makes me happy
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