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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Disgusted by this, I hope that the good people of Israel realize what their hideous regime is doing and stop it. I know for sure that

> I hope that the good people of Israel realize what their hideous regime is doing and stop it.

There’s a small but courageous peace movement in Israel. They don’t have the kind of sway it would take to stop anything.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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The rules aren't written by plucky revolutionaries, but the big powers. They, thus, fairly often favor people who fight like the big powers. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/can-hospitals-... > Article 8 of the Rome statute, which established the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, defines a long list of war crimes including “intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to rel…

> This is the same mistake many made about Nazi Germany; convincing themselves that the Germans were uniquely evil. It stops people from having to examine themselves. You seriously need to educate yourself about history, what the nazis did, and what is going on in the middle east, because only a person who has absolutely no idea about either of these subjects could draw this terrible comparison. Unless, of course, yo…

You think Germans have some genetic predilection to genocide? That they were uniquely vulnerable to authoritarianism?

The Nazis were evil. But all people have the capacity for it.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Germany invaded most of Europe and left much of it in rubble. You're picking a very weird, specific comparison (German vs. US cities) and leaving out the obvious comparison (German vs. Soviet or Polish cities). Also, comparing Nazi Germany, a massively powerful industrial state, with a tiny, poor territory under foreign occupation by a vastly superior power is insane.

Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries: more soldiers, more rockets, more war-fighting infrastructure. Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east. It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel. It was a net food exporter.

> Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries

What? You mean countries like Monaco and Liechtenstein?

> more soldiers, more rockets

Simply counting the # of soldiers or rockets is disingenuous when this is obviously an asymmetric war.

It's clear that the method of combatant recognition employed by the IDF is flawed, given they're killing aid workers and people from the UN.

Eg, here is Hamas' bread and butter rocket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

There is more technology in a modern rifle round than in those rockets + launch systems (if you even dare call them that).

> more war-fighting infrastructure

Please explain what you mean by "war-fighting infrastructure ".

> Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east

Depends on what you mean by "standards of the Middle East", but just compare Israel($52k) and Gaza ($3455) for 2023:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location...

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location...

> It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel.

"The wealthiest in a poor country have more money than the average in a developed country", means what exactly?

How did you develop your understanding of this situation? And what are you trying to communicate here?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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This is reductive. All kinds of other countries do the same and the purpose is crystal clear. It isnt spying and killing without purpose. I dont like it either and i didnt like back when it wasnt trendy to not like it. But it isnt pointless. They know what they are about.

The arab states offered a peace plan in 2002 that would include full recognition in exchange of an end of the occupation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative At some point it becomes obvious that Israel (under the current government and political climate) doesn't want peace.

In 2000 Israel offered the Palestinians what is essentially the two state solution everyone keeps talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

At some point it becomes obvious the Palestinians (under their current government and political climate) doesn't want peace.

Wikipedia is not a good source here. There was never a sincere offer accepted by all Palestinians that acknowledged Israel's right to exist. Specifically the sticky point here is the right of return which means that Israel ceases to exist. A peace proposal that includes the destruction of Israel is not one made on good faith. Either way it's not up to the Arab states to make peace here, it's up to the Palestinians.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-famil... Read that and tell me that Israel is acting proportionally...

If video evidence indicates IDF personnel committing these crimes also happen to be US citizens I wonder if those people could face criminal prosecution in the US. As an American I wouldn't want to live next to or do business with a serial murderer. I certainly wouldn't want them coaching my kids sports or other community involvement.

They certainly could be prosecuted; see https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-chicago-urges-doj-t....

But at this point the DoJ acts more like Trump's personal law firm.

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Keep in mind that these powerful men believe that Jewish people coming back to Israel is the first step of the Apocalypse, and the return of Christ. It is a death cult quite literally trying to bring about the end of the world, and they're ruling the world. Also, they are insanely antisemitic and believe most Jews will go to hell. https://religiondispatches.org/2025/12/04/mike-huckabee-trie...

> Also, they are insanely antisemitic and believe most Jews will go to hell. A good chunk of them are insanely pro-semitic as well, as they adopt the dual covenant belief that Jews will actually also go to heaven as well as Christians. I've actually never met anyone that adhered to the pro-zionist dispensationalist view that fully thought out the implied consequences, then proceeded to harbor a personal hatred of Jew…

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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This is reductive. All kinds of other countries do the same and the purpose is crystal clear. It isnt spying and killing without purpose. I dont like it either and i didnt like back when it wasnt trendy to not like it. But it isnt pointless. They know what they are about.

The arab states offered a peace plan in 2002 that would include full recognition in exchange of an end of the occupation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative At some point it becomes obvious that Israel (under the current government and political climate) doesn't want peace.

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

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I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

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You should try to find a spelling or grammar error in his post, too.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line

There was a second part to that which is "and surrender".

But there's definitely been a large reduction in violence since the hostages were returned. Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

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