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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Americans are absolutely not a fan of this administration and it will be severely neutered after the midterms. The Supreme Court is already doing some of that.

Americans are not your enemy, Washington (state), California, Illinois, etc (AKA the states with real economic power and all the tech companies) did not vote for this. We still believe in the rule of law and our friendships with our allies.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I will just provide 2 examples, but you can find a lot more. If your data is in the hands of a nation that uses this to block you from your data you should do something about it. [1] If your data is in the hands of a nation whose representatives are threatening your territorial integrity (greenland) you should find alternatives. [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-emai...

Right, but next time your data may be threatened by some European idiot rather than one from the US. To quote from my other comment: > In my view, data can only be protected by its rightful owner. And for that, we need education, not regulation.

maybe, but education won‘t solve the issues I outlined above. So in interest of european security I‘m all for regulation of this.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

What incarcerations in Germany are you referring to?

This is surely not what OP was referring to, but: arguably worse than incarcerations, I strongly condemn EU sanctions against EU citizens and residents, such as Hüseyin Dogru, Jacques Baud, and Nathalie Yamb, merely for speech that is not aligned with EU foreign policy.

Note that I don't consider it at all relevant whether one agrees/disagrees with the content of their speech.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM. There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

What is wrong with using Linux?

Linus Torvalds is very pro–corporate, pro–tivoization, he thinks GPL3 was a terrible mistake.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Just as America would like to reduce its dependence on external production, so to do other countries want to reduce their own. We used to live in a world converging toward maximal international trade, when in fact it was exploiting underdeveloped nations. As we progress globally, and as the development gap shrinks, we have noticed power dynamics which weren't well guarded against in the old way. So now what? How do w…

> If I allow myself to be optimistic, I'd be hoping for more international lawyers and trade agreements. One of the issues with the current system is that the WTO appellate body, which is effectively the court of world trade, requires USA approval for any appointments, which both Trump and Biden have refused to give. This effectively makes the WTO completely impotent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellate_Body

Didn't the rest of the world form their own WTO without the USA in it?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

> 1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. I think you should pause for a moment. There are plenty of European cloud providers that allow you to run VMs in multiple points of presence across the world. Some even offer managed Kubernetes clusters. It is true that most European cloud providers don't offer many high-level managed services such as function-as-a-service compute solutions, durable execution engines, et…

> So think about it for a second: if you can put together a Kubernetes cluster, what high-level service do you absolutely need to be able to put together a working service?

Agreed that K8s helps a lot. But let's say I want managed Redis or MongoDB Atlas, I can't get that, at least I couldn't when I last checked (I can them physically hosted in the EU of course, but on a hyperscaler)

> that they firmly base their offering on the exact criteria you are arguing against: compute that scales, and reliability

Sure these are central, but I can also get e.g. computer vision, distributed queues etc.; a lot of money has gone into the software, not just the hardware is my point.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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The whole post is a gish gallop of half truths and nonsense.

> The whole post is a gish gallop of half truths and nonsense. That is indeed true. OP fails to raise a single point that either makes sense or is grounded on reality. Sometimes I wonder where consuming propaganda stops and wilful ignorance starts.

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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>OpenStack by Huawei If you mean to say that OpenStack is made by Huawei, that is not true. They are a major contributor and a platinum member of that open source project, though.

OpenStack was created by NASA and Rackspace, both very American..

I may be wrong, but here's how I got the idea: "liefert Huawei mit dem Cloud-Betriebssystem Huawei OpenStack Distribution" So it appears to be a Huawei _distribution_ from https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich...

Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41350820

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM. There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.
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